RTP-area local music and culture

[Dave Yarwood <dave.yarwood AT gmail.com>]

Amen Evan!! I totally agree. It sucks financially to be an independent
musician, but until you get picked up by a label or you're making enough at
shows to fund a record, you just have to grin and bear it because it's your
baby and yours (/your band's) alone. I've self-released everything by
Antibubbles - I don't have thousands of dollars sitting around in my bank
account, but I do have credit cards, and I'm willing to deal with the debt
until we make the money back (from playing shows and selling said releases)
because I felt that the music was worthy of being recorded and released on
an attractive physical medium. Whatever it takes to get it out there - I
really don't expect anybody who isn't in my band to help me pay for my
band's expenses. But who's to say that everyone else in bands feels the same
way?

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:36 PM, evankrowe <evankrowe AT gmail.com> wrote:

> Same thing happened here.  Didn't seem mean-spirited at all.  Unfortunate
> timing on the server's part, but I had the same thought, which I think is
> justified: "Fuck all y'all!  Hey, would you like to help pay for my record?"
>
> I actually assumed at first that the Kickstarter email was from a long time
> ago, too.  Upon seeing that it was new, my first thought was "Really?
>  People are still trying to fund plain old band releases with Kickstarter?
>  What year is it?"
>
> Your band wants to put out a record and (maybe) sell it?  You pay to make
> the record.  Then you (maybe) sell it.  It's not particularly complicated.
>
> It's worked that way for a long time, because things like recording gear,
> rent/mortgage of a facility, tape and/or hard drives, engineers' time and
> talent, packaging, and replication of the final format cost money.  If you
> need to reach a tipping point reliant on others' interest and willingness to
> pay to fund the record, I think you might not really need to do the record.
>
> This is not to say that an artist hoping to use this model's songs are bad,
> or that the world might not be a better place with them recorded and
> available; only that the need does not seem to exist in that artist to make
> that record by whatever means is necessary.  Most folks who've funded a
> record themselves have taken a financial hit, and that's because they felt
> they had to record those songs, against any financial advisor's reasonable
> assessment of a cost/benefit ratio.
>
> Means to circumvent this simple model and shift the burden of financial
> outlay in either time or mechanism have existed for a long while.  They're
> called record labels.  It hasn't historically worked out well for the
> artists (there are OF COURSE exceptions to this, but the artist almost
> always in some fashion has to pay for the production of the record), because
> generally musicians aren't that great at financial rearrangements,
> especially with regard to something as personal and emotionally charged as
> making a record.
>
> Long story short (yeah, too late, I know): pay for your record.  Then it's
> yours, and you can do whatever the fuck you want with it: give it away, sell
> it for $30, store hundreds of them in your house.  Which is how it should
> be.
>
> NB: This logic does not necessarily apply to any record other than "Release
> X," by Band Y.  e.g. Benefit records, compilations, holiday/national
> tragedy/animal welfare-type things.
>
> I am very excited about the 506 Auxes show at the end of July!
>
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 17:02, James Hepler <hepstyle AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ibiblio puked
> >
> > On Sep 17, 2011 4:21 PM, "The Pneurotics" <pneurotics AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh weird, I think I just got tricked by a ghost.  I see that post from
> > Gilbert Neal was dated April 9, but it appeared in my inbox this morning.
> > Meaning it was not related to the most recent KickStarter  thread, and my
> > response seems incredibly mean-spirited.  My apologies.
> >
> > I also got a bunch of old updates from Local 506 with old dates.  How'd
> that
> > happen?
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mimi McLaughlin <pneurotics AT yahoo.com>
> > To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc: "ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org" <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Look, amc-h. You don't care for me, and I don't care for
> you.
> > But...
> >
> >
> > Yow. Here's the part where I rush over to kickstarter and make my
> donation
> > to no hard feelings .  N...
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