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[Cory Doctorow <doctorow AT craphound.com>]

No, I'm saying that getting into the silly business of "How dare  
those people" (who are our allies, who work with us, whose goals we  
support 100 percent and vice-versa) "call themselves 'Free Culture  
Movement'" is sniping. There is zero substance to such a complaint.  
There's nothing wrong with the name "Free Culture Movement" for an org.

Wrt to CC: I'm saying that not enjoying someone else's gag isn't the  
same thing as having a substantive disagreement.

Wrt "over there." My postcode is in NW5. Where "over there" do you  
think I am?

Cory

On Jun 22, 2005, at 2:09 PM, David M. Berry wrote:

> Cory
>
> You seem to be saying 'let's have no dissent'. I would argue that  
> we need a rich and critical discussion of all activities that  
> Creative Commons gets itself into otherwise grave mistakes (like  
> the Bzzz public relations fiasco) will be made. A lot of people  
> invest a lot of time and personal work into supporting the Creative  
> Commons, and when it starts to act completely authoritarian (like  
> the Sampler License rename https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/cc- 
> sampling/2004-August/thread.html ) or even plain dumb (like this),  
> then it is important that it gets critical feedback from its  
> supporters as well as its foes.
>
> Maybe this 'joke' works better over there than over here. I don't  
> know. But Creative Commons' actions I sometimes find plain  
> conservative and reactionary rather than progressive. The dangers  
> with Creative Commons, are their tacit acceptance of copyright  
> (indeed their *need* for it) means that it can be used as an  
> argument to support copyright extension rather than reject it. In  
> other words 'copyright works, just look how CC makes the whole  
> thing run smoother, who needs term limitations when stuff can be  
> licensed anyway'. To read more of our critique see Free Software  
> Magazine: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/current_issues/#issue_05
>
> Anyway, it's hardly a firing squad, and hardly in a circle, as  
> clearly others agree with you and my remarks have generated lots of  
> contrary debate - always a good thing.
>
> ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
>
>
> On 22 Jun 2005, at 10:27, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>
> > > Is it really
> > > necessary to arrange this firing squad in a circle?
> > >
> > > Cory

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