Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion

[Matt McGregor <Matt.McGregor AT royalsociety.org.nz>]

Hi all,

There have been some productive and informative disagreements on the 
list--the NC and ND thread was a great example--where a range of people felt 
comfortable chipping in. 

With that in mind, I think it's important that we keep the tone as cordial as 
possible. I'd hate for anyone to be discouraged from posting. 

Enjoy your weekend,
Matt
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From: cc-nz-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [cc-nz-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] on 
behalf of Sutherland, Paul [Paul.Sutherland AT ccc.govt.nz]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:17 PM
To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion; Creative Commons 
Aotearoa New Zealand discussion
Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] Archiving the web for posterity

Hi

It is hard to know what is being asked here because the correspondent did not 
seem to do a basic google search to examine the landscape of the topic  being 
addressed before the rant.

a search such as "web archive new zealand"  http://goo.gl/Um4oD would bring 
up some key starting points
Wikipedia article List of Web archiving initiatives gives a rough global 
overview
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Web_archiving_initiatives 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Web_archiving_initiatives>

New Zealand web archive
http://natlib.govt.nz/collections/a-z/new-zealand-web-archive 
<http://natlib.govt.nz/collections/a-z/new-zealand-web-archive>

Web harvesting
http://natlib.govt.nz/publishers-and-authors/web-harvesting 
<http://natlib.govt.nz/publishers-and-authors/web-harvesting>

It is worth noting
The Internet Archive is a key player in the global internet archiving area 
and other tools have been developed for selective harvesting., The National 
Library of New Zealand is a global leader in this field, along with national 
libraries around the world

Regardless of what you think of any aspect of the Kim Dotcom saga you must 
remeber copyright is a legal instrument to protect the owners of intellectual 
property who have chosen to use this tool for whatever reason.  MegaUpload 
facilitated the illegal duplication and sharing of copyright material.

To enable the NLNZ to legally collect websites etc the New Zealand 
legislation needed to be changed to enable this.

This enabled a programme and the creation of the National Digital Heriatge 
Archive.

You tax dollars working for you

I hope that helps to answer some of your questions

/paul





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From: cc-nz-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of Danyl Strype
Sent: Thu 29/11/2012 8:14 p.m.
To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion
Subject: [Cc-nz] Archiving the web for posterity



Kia ora koutou

Most of you will have heard of Archive.org (Internet Archive) and its
"Wayback Machine", which takes snapshots of websites and stores them,
like an archive storing issues of a newspaper on microfiche (I
remember learning to use a microfiche reader at school, and wondering
why anyone would store information in a way which was so ludicrously
difficult to access when it could be stored using computers - I didn't
know the half of it ;) This allows researchers, historians and other
interested people to look back for evidence in the published record,
without having to find a paper version in a physical archive, without
knowing in advance that they will need it (if you think you might want
a snapshot of a website for an academic citation, you can use
www.WebCitation.org).

The problem with the Wayback Machine though, is that it works pretty
much at random. Every now and then its 'robots' crawl your website,
making copies of the pages they can see.
Back in Web 1.0 prehistory, when websites consisted of an index of
flat HTML pages, which didn't change too often, this was fine. On a
web where some sites can change every second, and most sites are
actually complex server-side applications like G-Everything,
iEverything (patent pending), and MS Everything (look but don't
touch), using scripting languages like Javascript, PHP, Python etc),
the Wayback Machine can only collect fragments and samples.

The Archive.org have attempted to solve this problem by offering a
site-specific archiving service for pages which are publicly
displayed. Archive-It allows webmasters to host their own archiving
robots, controlling what they can archive, and feeding the copies into
Archive.org:
http://www.archive-it.org/

Like Wikipedia, Archive.org is a USA-based, publicly-funded,
non-profit organisation. We can probably trust their motives, but we
certainly can't trust the neutrality of their government and its
enforcement machine, as the DotCom raids, and various other
copyright-based extradition attempts have shown (not to mention the
systematic attacks on WikiLeaks which US government "cyber-security"
agencies have either failed to investigate, or participated in). It
occurs to wonder if we have a publicly-funded digital archive doing
the same job for kiwi webpages that Archive.org does for those in the
US, using NZ-based servers which are "mirrored and striped" (across
multiple storage drives in multiple datacentres)? ArchivesNZ? National
Library? Digital NZ? Whose job is this, and is it getting done?

Hei kona
Strypey

--
Danyl Strype
Community Developer
Disintermedia.net.nz/strype

"Geeks are those who partake in our culture."
- .ISOcrates

"Uncomfortable alliances are not just necessary; they reflect and
speak to the tremendous possibility of our political moment."
- Harmony Goldberg and Joshua Kahn Russell
http://www.nationofchange.org/new-radical-alliances-new-era-1337004193

"Both Marxists and Chicago-school libertarian economists can agree
that free software is the best model."
- Keith C Curtis
http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?page_id=407
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