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  • From: "Ian Thomson" <ithomson.nz AT gmail.com>
  • To: "Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion" <cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] cc-nz Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4
  • Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:04 +1200

Winston,
 
Can you make an unofficial comment? Or perhaps a comment on the way such inputs have been handled in the Contnet Strategy to date.
 
Or is this an issue for SSC and their participatory work?
 
Ian

 
On 24/09/2007, Leigh Blackall <leighblackall AT gmail.com> wrote:
HI Ian, I proposed the same when they came to Dunedin to present the
strategy. Yes, lobby for more participative technology... how?

On 9/23/07, Ian Thomson <ithomson.nz AT gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> Good to hear this issue raised in this group.
>
> Putting my Community hat on, I made a submission to the Content strategy
> people saying that if the Government mandate Community Consultation (as they
> do with Local Government), then access to research data sets is a necessary
> pre-condition for effective and informed consultation. Throwing a research
> report at the community is not enough these days.
>
> I also added that the Govt should provide a Mash Up space with appropriate
> tools for the community to take the datasets and manipulate and interpret
> them to reach their own conclusions.
>
> This is much better "consultation" than the one way street most communities
> face today.
>
> As there is nothing about this approach in the latest Content Strategy, and
> it is promised that this is a living document, how about we do some lobbying
> to get this included?
>
> Ian
>
>
>  On 18/09/2007, Sam Searle < sam.searle AT mcs.vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
> > This is a huge issue and deserves some big discussions at a national
> > level, and I'm keen to hear from others in this community about how to
> > prompt those discussions. During my work on the Advanced Network
> > Capability Building Roadmap, data storage / management / re-use emerged
> > as probably the biggest issue facing e-research development in NZ.
> >
> > At a recent eResearch conference in Brisbane, issues about open access
> > to datasets were a hot topic for discussion: the Aussies are going all
> > out on this and spending something like 50 million on an Australian
> > National Data Service, that will establish distributed technologies and
> > policy frameworks to make their research data accessible.
> >
> > Here in New Zealand, I think it would be fair to say that research
> > datasets seem to have fallen through the cracks. There is a lot of focus
> > (e.g. in the Digital Content Strategy and ICT Framework for Education,
> > National Library's National Digital Heritage Archive) on institutional
> > repositories for research outputs and on repositories of digital
> > content, but mostly these seem to be framed in terms of published
> > knowledge rather than raw data. We don't have a history of
> > discipline-based data archives the way other countries do (probably
> > because such centres tend to be funded by the research councils for
> > those disciplines!): with my librarian hat on for a minute, it also
> > worries me that the skillsets required to do this work (a combination of
> > technical skills, archival understanding, and domain knowledge) are very
> > rare.
> >
> > Trends internationally are for policy agencies and funders to make open
> > access to publicly-funded research datasets mandatory.
> > Here in NZ we are slightly behind the US, UK and Australia and lots of
> > other places in looking at this, but I believe that there are
> > discussions happening at MoRST/FRST along these lines. Not many people
> > are aware that NZ signed up to the OECD's  Declaration on Access to
> > Research Data from Public Funding in 2004 -
> >
> http://www.oecd.org/document/15/0,2340,en_21571361_21590465_25998799_1_1_1_1,00.html
> > - not much has happened since then but I would expect it to soon.
> >
> > I'm not sure about Stats, LINZ - it would be interesting to know if they
> > are heading in this direction.
> >
> > Amongst the Crown Research Institutes, only NIWA so far seems to be
> > anticipating the (inevitable) policy and funding changes: in July they
> > announced a free data policy -
> > http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0707/S00011.htm - with
> which they are
> > aiming to "encourage further scientific discovery and contribute to good
> > natural resource planning and decision-making by giving everyone easy
> > access to quality assured, scientific natural resources data." Go, NIWA!
> >
> > Internationally, in the sciences at least, people seem to be looking at
> > the Science Commons project as a model for the future:
> > http://sciencecommons.org/resources/faq/databases/
> >
> > And public pressure certainly does seem to be working - in the UK, the
> > Guardian's Free Our Data campaign (http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/) has
> > been really successful in brining these issues to public attention.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Sam
> >
> >
> > Sam Searle
> > E-Research Development Coordinator
> > Room 235, Cotton Building
> > Victoria University of Wellington
> > PO Box 600, Wellington 6140, New Zealand
> > Tel +64 4 463 6613 Fax +64-4-463 5045
> > E-mail sam.searle AT vuw.ac.nz
> > Calendar http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/~sam/calendar.html
> >
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > [Cc-nz] Open Data License
> > > From:
> > > "Mark Rickerby" <maetl AT coretxt.net.nz>
> > > Date:
> > > Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:50:36 +1200
> > > To:
> > > cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >
> > > To:
> > > cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >
> > >
> > > One question that was raised at the EGovernment BarCamp conference on
> > > Saturday was in terms of the difference between 'free' and 'open', and
> > > the need for clear guidelines for licensing content that is a 'data
> > > set' or 'database' rather than a single document or authored work.
> > >
> > > Specific examples are taxpayer funded data sets such as the registry
> > > of flora and fauna. There is a huge amount of public data available,
> > > but no real common standard for licensing it. Currently, each agency
> > > uses their own specific copyright statement which either allows or
> > > disallows public use.
> > >
> > > For example, Statistics NZ has a copyright statement which seems to be
> > > a reflection of an "Attribution" style license:
> > >
> > > http://www.stats.govt.nz/copyright.htm
> > >
> > > So I'm wondering whether or not Open Data comes within the scope of CC
> > > licensing schemes, and in particular the NZ Creative Commons
> > > initiative? One suggestion I have seen for open data sets is 'modding'
> > > a standard CC license to include database rights, eg:
> > >
> > >
> http://creativecommons.org/worldwide/nl/english-changes.pdf
> > >
> > > Having something like this would also be a good encouragement for
> > > agencies to release more data to the public, with a clear set of terms
> > > for what end users are allowed to do with it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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