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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses
- From: rob AT robmyers.org
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- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses
- Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:09:07 +0100
Quoting MJ Ray <mjr AT phonecoop.coop>:
I find it somewhat strange that my arguments about DRM-required players
are dismissed by some pro-format-banners because we can't hold one up
yet, but other pro-format-banners are using them to argue against me,
apparently unchallenged.
This is not a case of format bans. DRM can be contained within existing file
formats, Apple's use of MP4 is a good example of this. We are not discussing
banning MP4. Rather we are discussing how data stored in various file formats
affects the file legally.
If GPL-3 style obviating of DMCA law was possible, I would find DRM acceptible.
This despite the fact that the file format or its contents is unchanged.
DRM-banning clauses are an attempt to use law to outlaw code.
DRM is law, not code. And it is law that outlaws code, ask Skyralov. The GPL-3
demonstrates how TPM code can be written without the effects of TPM law. I
think we both agree that this would be a good way of tackling the issue.
We should fight smarter. The best approach is
to negate DRM through requiring people to meet our standards for sharing
in some way. I believe the Scottish clause does that.
The immediate effect of dual distribution, properly managed, is to resemble our
standards for sharing. Unless the distributor doesn't do a Zune version and you
are unwilling to buy an iPod. But after that first moment it either burdens
downstream producers in a way that providing source does not (I need source to
edit chmod, I do not need source to mash-up an OGG track), is irrelevent (if
people can edit and redistribute non-DRM version they do not need to receive a
DRM version), or is legally impossible (if they are not an author they cannot
add DRM). This is quite aside from the network effects Greg identifies.
- Rob.
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
MJ Ray, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
MJ Ray, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, rob, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Greg London, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Evan Prodromou, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, Greg London, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, Terry Hancock, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Evan Prodromou, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
MJ Ray, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Philip Hands, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Philip Hands, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
Philip Hands, 10/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses, Greg London, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - List Discussion Responses,
drew Roberts, 10/02/2006
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