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Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses
- From: Terry Hancock <hancock AT anansispaceworks.com>
- To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses
- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:24:24 -0600
drew Roberts wrote:
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 08:52 am, Greg London wrote:If the only available choices are "One of the existing pure copyleft
Pure copyleft, such as GNU-GPL or CC-SA, are the idealNow, you will get no argument from me that a pure copyleft licence is the best licence, and for my money, not just for what you call gift economy projects.
license for a gift-economy project, in that these
licenses give the project the best chances for success.
licenses" or CC's NC licenses, then I agree with this statement.
I agree with it for a broader universe of possible licenses if the
work is program software, hardware design, or other objectively
measurable "tool-like" information, for which collaboration is
a clear win.
If it's "expressive art", though, I think that both CC-NC-* and existing
copyleft licenses are sub-optimal and possibly inadequate.
ISTM, this leaves three possibilities:
1) No system exists which can combine free modifiable redistribution (the
"four freedoms") with artistic expression in a system which provides
motivation and reward for contributors. = "Free art is a failure"
2) No such system is possible by the mere use of a license. We must lobby
to change the legal structure of intellectual property laws to a better
system if we want "Free art".
3) Such a system is possible by clever choice of license terms and establishment
of a commons community around this new license. But no one has yet discovered
it.
I'm not ready to give up on #3 yet. But I can't say that I've been inspired
yet, either, so #1 and #2 loom more ominously (I can't think of a solution
in the domain of #2 either, but I haven't tried very hard -- ISTM, though,
that the set of solutions in #2 should be almost entirely equal to the
one in #3, and #3 is much easier to implement).
CC-NC-* isn't on the map, because it isn't "Free" (or not "free enough").
Existing successes with Copyleft art, are, IMHO, parasitic. They succeed
because they are piggy-backed on some other motivation (perhaps they
are linked to a software project, motivated "politically" (in Greg's sense of
the word), or they work only by advertising non-free work. This isn't
a total failure of course, so "free art is a failure" is perhaps an
exaggeration -- it might be a "niche success in an otherwise global
failure", but I'd be a lot happier to find a system that "succeeds globally
and independently". Software projects appear to meet that goal.
To me, it still seems that artists just don't get a big enough payback
from copylefting and free-licensing their work with existing copyleft
licenses. And that's why NC remains attractive, even though (IMHO)
it's really a false hope (actually, again, it's a "niche success" -- I'm quite
happy to *listen* to Magnatune tracks which are CC-By-NC-SA, but
I can't really "use" them in the sense of synergistically combining them
with my work to create something better than both -- thus neither I
nor the artist achieve any creative leverage by use of this license).
And I assert that "creative leverage" is the most important value
proposition of free-copyleft-licenses like GPL and By-SA.
Cheers,
Terry
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Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses
, (continued)
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Terry Hancock, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Terry Hancock, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Terry Hancock, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/29/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/29/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Terry Hancock, 03/29/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/29/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, rob, 03/29/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/28/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/09/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Mike Linksvayer, 03/09/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/04/2006
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