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Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?
- From: drew Roberts <zotz AT 100jamz.com>
- To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?
- Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:03:26 -0500
On Saturday 19 March 2005 10:51 am, Rob Myers wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2005, at 14:18, drew Roberts wrote:
> > I think I know all of this, even though I am in many ways ignorant. The
> > question that I was trying to have answered (I hope this is it, even I
> > am
> > getting confused now) is what is the difference between a high level
> > design
> > translated into ROM and one translated into an asic. The postulation
> > that was
> > after all was said and done, both were pieces of non-changeable
> > silicon. Why
> > should one be considered a copyrighted derivative of the original
> > "source"
> > that was used to produce it and one a non-copyrighted functional
> > devicer
> > "cake" baked from the original "source" "the recipe" that was used to
> > produce
> > it?
>
> I'm still not a lawyer. :-)
>
> Traditionally there's been a line drawn between copyrightable work and
> functional industrial design. This is another of those things in
> copyright that is just how it's done for historical reasons.
Sure, and yet binaries are copyrightable. Or are at least derivatives of
copyrighted works.
> If I had
> to try to explain it, I'd say that copyrightable works have to be
> understandably symbolic or encoded in some way. They have to have a
> message, not do something. Information, not functionality.
>
> Now, I'd argue that the chip is a photographic reproduction of a design
> derived from the original textual description.
>
> But certainly US law doesn't seem to be on my side, as the functional
> nature of the chip design seems to trump its copyrightability. Which is
> weird. So Greg's cookies look like the more appropriate model. Mea
> culpa.
>
> On the copyrightability of circuits (but are chips circuits?):
>
> http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyright/1996-02/0251.html
>
> Possibly someone could page RMS on this, he's tackled it before on
> various lists but I can't find a definitively useful article for
> ASICs/FPGAs anywhere.
>
> Here he is on "free hardware" in 1999:
>
> http://features.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-06-22-005-05-
> NW-LF
>
> He clarifies that article on this list:
>
> http://opencollector.org/hardlicense/maillist.html
>
> - Rob.
all the best,
drew
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Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?
, (continued)
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Greg London, 03/18/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/18/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Rob Myers, 03/19/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/19/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Rob Myers, 03/19/2005
- Books about clocks and Clock-Itself, Greg London, 03/19/2005
- Re: Books about clocks and Clock-Itself, drew Roberts, 03/19/2005
- RE: Books about clocks and Clock-Itself, Judith Combs, 03/19/2005
- Re: Books about clocks and Clock-Itself, Greg London, 03/19/2005
- Re: Books about clocks and Clock-Itself, drew Roberts, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/19/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Greg London, 03/19/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Greg London, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Rob Myers, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Greg London, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/20/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, Rob Myers, 03/21/2005
- Re: What happens to the GPL in FPGA & VLSI implementations?, drew Roberts, 03/21/2005
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