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[Rebecca MacKinnon <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>]

Adding Pindar Wong to the thread.
Sorry I won't be in HK to help.
R

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On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Charles Mok <charlespmok AT gmail.com> wrote:

> I can try but our panel is on internet governance and asia. And just
> the last and only panel at end of day. Will need some comments from
> floor. Anyway...
>
> On 7/20/09, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com> wrote:
> > Charles,
> > As moderator, can you share your concerns about the IRT? The  
> > moderators
> > in NYC and London were two members of the IRT Committee, and they  
> > were
> > quite clear about their support for the IRT.  Would it be appropriate
> > for you, similarly, to introduce any concerns you might have for  
> > the IRT
> > Report and its impact on noncommercial domain name registration,  
> > impact
> > on IDNs and the unfair implications of extending US/European  
> > trademarks
> > into translation and transliteration of other languages?
> >
> > I am glad you will be upfront!
> > Best,
> > Kathy
> >
> > > Hong I understand will try to write in something or have someone  
> > > help
> > > her read her comments, since she will be in BJ and not HK.
> > >
> > > I will be the moderator and the co-host so I will need someone to  
> > > say
> > > these things.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Charles
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kathy Kleiman
> > > <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com <mailto:Kathy AT kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >    Charles, Ying, and Jack,
> > >    I am so glad you can attend the ICANN meeting on Friday. What can
> > >    I do to assist you?  The IRT Report is lengthy and difficult (on
> > >    purpose, to make it difficult to criticize).
> > >
> > >    In Sydney, since we had only a few minutes at the microphones,
> > >    everyone took a difference piece -- and expressed their concerns
> > >    based on the work of their organization. One group criticized the
> > >    IP Clearinghouse, another the Globally Protected Marks List,
> > >    another the URS (too rapid take-down system for domain names).   
> > > We
> > >    also referenced NCUC's general deep concerns about the other  
> > > issues.
> > >
> > >    Please feel free to share ideas, and I am happy to assist with
> > >    editing, links or examples. Like Sydney, you will only have about
> > >    2-3 minutes at the microphone. Having a short written statement
> > >    worked well for me (NYC) and Konstantinos (London).
> > >
> > >    Rebecca has done a wonderful job laying out (and writing) key
> > >    documents below. I have a few more....
> > >
> > >    1) The outstanding comments of Leslie, Guan Yuanyuan (Legal
> > >    Supervisor, China Organizational Name Administration Center).
> > >    These comments analyze and compare Chinese trademark law and US
> > >    trademark law. They argue that the IRT "ignores the difference in
> > >    state's jurisdictions, ignores the protection of domain name
> > >    registrant's rights, and with the paranoiac and simple intention
> > >    protects the rights of trademark holders" (from closing comment).
> > >    Leslie gave terrific speeches in Sydney and you will like these
> > >    comments! -- at
> > >    http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00129.html
> > >
> > >    I have copied her above.
> > >
> > >    2) The strong comment of Dr. Hong Xue, Chinese Domain Name Users
> > >    Alliance, and her opposition to the IP Clearinghouse and Globally
> > >    Protected Marks List because: "ICANN, in its limited technical
> > >    coordination role as declared in its mission, has absolutely no
> > >    authority to create any international or even global law to  
> > > change
> > >    the territorial nature of trademark rights. What is recommended  
> > > by
> > >    IRT is to set up a private ordering through ICANN DNS governance
> > >    to create a de facto global enforcement for trademarks,
> > >    irrespective of legal limits of trademark protection."
> > >
> > >    Hong's full comment is at
> > >    http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00138.html
> > >
> > >    3) My speech in NYC is posted on YouTube at
> > >    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM (please let me know if
> > >    you would like the text).
> > >
> > >    Good luck in HK!
> > >    Best,
> > >    Kathy
> > >
> > >
> > > >    Thanks Ying and Jack!
> > > >
> > > >    On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ying Chan <yychan AT hku.hk
> > > >    <mailto:yychan AT hku.hk>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >        I'll sign up and could be there for at least half-a-day
> > > >        Thanks for the reminder
> > > >
> > > >        Ying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Charles Mok
> > > >        <charlespmok AT gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>>  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >            Not many from CC-HK signed up for the event yet.  Most
> > > >            are from regional registries/registrars and legal and
> > > >            business communities and there may not be enough ones
> > > >            there to speak on the civil society concerns.  So I hope
> > > >            more of you can come.  Pls register asap.  Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >            charles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >            On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
> > > >            <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com
> > > >            <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >                Hi there Charles,
> > > >
> > > >                For those from the non-commercial sector and free
> > > >                culture/free speech components, you may want to pass
> > > >                around a few materials. The non-commercial
> > > >                constituency at ICANN is strongly opposed to the IRT
> > > >                proposal for trademark protection on both  
> > > > substantive
> > > >                and procedural grounds. Details via the following  
> > > > two
> > > >                links:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-substantive-comments-on
> > > >
> > > > http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-procedural-comments-on
> > > >
> > > >                Also note that I wrote a blog post recently about
> > > >                free speech and ICANN:
> > > >
> > > > http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
> > > >
> > > >                ..and about China's re-engagement with ICANN for the
> > > >                first time in many years:
> > > >
> > > > http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/china-icann-thoughts-from-former-ceo-paul-twomey.html
> > > >
> > > >                I'm copying Kathy Kleiman from the NCUC who led the
> > > >                effort against the IRT in New York and who I'm sure
> > > >                will be happy to provide more details.
> > > >
> > > >                Best,
> > > >                Rebecca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Charles Mok
> > > >                <charlespmok AT gmail.com
> > > >                <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >                    Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > >                    Please register if you have not already.  Only
> > > >                    less than a week to go before the first ICANN
> > > >                    event in Hong Kong.  Speakers info below...
> > > >
> > > >                    Registration:
> > > >                    http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
> > > >
> > > >                    Charles Mok
> > > >                    ISOC-HK
> > > >
> > > >                    If you can't see the image below, please click
> > > >                    here. <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
> > > >                    Pre-Register Now at:
> > > >                    http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
> > > >
> > > >                    icann-newtld-hk.jpg
> > > >                    <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >                --
> > > >                Rebecca MacKinnon
> > > >                Open Society Fellow | Co-founder, GlobalVoicesOnline.org
> > > >                Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies
> > > >                Centre, University of Hong Kong
> > > >
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