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[Charles Mok <charlespmok AT gmail.com>]

I can try but our panel is on internet governance and asia. And just
the last and only panel at end of day. Will need some comments from
floor. Anyway...

On 7/20/09, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com> wrote:
> Charles,
> As moderator, can you share your concerns about the IRT? The moderators
> in NYC and London were two members of the IRT Committee, and they were
> quite clear about their support for the IRT.  Would it be appropriate
> for you, similarly, to introduce any concerns you might have for the IRT
> Report and its impact on noncommercial domain name registration, impact
> on IDNs and the unfair implications of extending US/European trademarks
> into translation and transliteration of other languages?
>
> I am glad you will be upfront!
> Best,
> Kathy
>
>>  Hong I understand will try to write in something or have someone help
>> her read her comments, since she will be in BJ and not HK.
>>
>> I will be the moderator and the co-host so I will need someone to say
>> these things.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>> <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com <mailto:Kathy AT kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Charles, Ying, and Jack,
>>     I am so glad you can attend the ICANN meeting on Friday. What can
>>     I do to assist you?  The IRT Report is lengthy and difficult (on
>>     purpose, to make it difficult to criticize).
>>
>>     In Sydney, since we had only a few minutes at the microphones,
>>     everyone took a difference piece -- and expressed their concerns
>>     based on the work of their organization. One group criticized the
>>     IP Clearinghouse, another the Globally Protected Marks List,
>>     another the URS (too rapid take-down system for domain names).  We
>>     also referenced NCUC's general deep concerns about the other issues.
>>
>>     Please feel free to share ideas, and I am happy to assist with
>>     editing, links or examples. Like Sydney, you will only have about
>>     2-3 minutes at the microphone. Having a short written statement
>>     worked well for me (NYC) and Konstantinos (London).
>>
>>     Rebecca has done a wonderful job laying out (and writing) key
>>     documents below. I have a few more....
>>
>>     1) The outstanding comments of Leslie, Guan Yuanyuan (Legal
>>     Supervisor, China Organizational Name Administration Center).
>>     These comments analyze and compare Chinese trademark law and US
>>     trademark law. They argue that the IRT "ignores the difference in
>>     state's jurisdictions, ignores the protection of domain name
>>     registrant's rights, and with the paranoiac and simple intention
>>     protects the rights of trademark holders" (from closing comment).
>>     Leslie gave terrific speeches in Sydney and you will like these
>>     comments! -- at
>>     http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00129.html
>>
>>     I have copied her above.
>>
>>     2) The strong comment of Dr. Hong Xue, Chinese Domain Name Users
>>     Alliance, and her opposition to the IP Clearinghouse and Globally
>>     Protected Marks List because: "ICANN, in its limited technical
>>     coordination role as declared in its mission, has absolutely no
>>     authority to create any international or even global law to change
>>     the territorial nature of trademark rights. What is recommended by
>>     IRT is to set up a private ordering through ICANN DNS governance
>>     to create a de facto global enforcement for trademarks,
>>     irrespective of legal limits of trademark protection."
>>
>>     Hong's full comment is at
>>     http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00138.html
>>
>>     3) My speech in NYC is posted on YouTube at
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM (please let me know if
>>     you would like the text).
>>
>>     Good luck in HK!
>>     Best,
>>     Kathy
>>
>>
>>>     Thanks Ying and Jack!
>>>
>>>     On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ying Chan <yychan AT hku.hk
>>>     <mailto:yychan AT hku.hk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I'll sign up and could be there for at least half-a-day
>>>         Thanks for the reminder
>>>
>>>         Ying
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Charles Mok
>>>         <charlespmok AT gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Not many from CC-HK signed up for the event yet.  Most
>>>             are from regional registries/registrars and legal and
>>>             business communities and there may not be enough ones
>>>             there to speak on the civil society concerns.  So I hope
>>>             more of you can come.  Pls register asap.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>             charles
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
>>>             <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hi there Charles,
>>>
>>>                 For those from the non-commercial sector and free
>>>                 culture/free speech components, you may want to pass
>>>                 around a few materials. The non-commercial
>>>                 constituency at ICANN is strongly opposed to the IRT
>>>                 proposal for trademark protection on both substantive
>>>                 and procedural grounds. Details via the following two
>>>                 links:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-substantive-comments-on
>>>
>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-procedural-comments-on
>>>
>>>                 Also note that I wrote a blog post recently about
>>>                 free speech and ICANN:
>>>
>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
>>>
>>>                 ..and about China's re-engagement with ICANN for the
>>>                 first time in many years:
>>>
>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/china-icann-thoughts-from-former-ceo-paul-twomey.html
>>>
>>>                 I'm copying Kathy Kleiman from the NCUC who led the
>>>                 effort against the IRT in New York and who I'm sure
>>>                 will be happy to provide more details.
>>>
>>>                 Best,
>>>                 Rebecca
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Charles Mok
>>>                 <charlespmok AT gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Dear Friends,
>>>
>>>                     Please register if you have not already.  Only
>>>                     less than a week to go before the first ICANN
>>>                     event in Hong Kong.  Speakers info below...
>>>
>>>                     Registration:
>>>                     http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>
>>>                     Charles Mok
>>>                     ISOC-HK
>>>
>>>                     If you can't see the image below, please click
>>>                     here. <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>                     Pre-Register Now at:
>>>                     http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>
>>>                     icann-newtld-hk.jpg
>>>                     <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>
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>>>                 Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies
>>>                 Centre, University of Hong Kong
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