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[Ben <chpapa AT gmail.com>]

I agree. We need some input from the legal side of this community to
help us on get in touch with legal communities about the draft.

I had forwarded to some people in open/free software community and I
know some HK wikipedians is on this mailing list too, hey~ any thought
from you guys? :-)

Ben

On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 AM, Mike Linksvayer <ml AT creativecommons.org> wrote:
> Pindar's suggestion warms my heart. Two groups to reach out to are local
> Wikipedians and Debian developers.
>
>
> Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> > Pindar, thanks. This strategic suggestion makes a tremendous amount of
> > sense. We should identify the groups who need to be alerted to the
> > license draft and we should make sure  that we invite them to comment.
> >
> > Perhaps some of the lawyers our CC-HK email group would like to help us
> > formulate a list?
> >
> > Seems like it would make sense also to reach out to the various faculty
> > who do IP law at various universities?
> >
> > Would somebody like to volunteer to spearhead legal community outreach?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Rebecca
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Mr. Pindar Wong wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone and Happy New Year to you all,
> >>
> >> From my perspective, I agree with the notion of having a planned media
> >> strategy and it appears to me that generating +ve input into the
> >> porting process to 'improve'
> >>
> >> 1) the quality and legal robustness of the output w.r.t. the existing 
> >> HKCO
> >> 2) (perhaps more importantly) generate the necessary
> >>  'buy-in/ownership' from HK's Legal IP community - both existing and
> >> future
> >>
> >> would perhaps be a good use of the time before the official launch.
> >>
> >> Certainly expectations of the wider non-IP community need to be
> >> managed as part of the wider media plan, and this could certainly
> >> proceed in parallel, but I would argue that the official launch should
> >> not come as a surprise to, say, groups like the HK Law Society's
> >> Working Group on IP(?) or the HK Govt's IPD.
> >>
> >> We certainly don't want such groups appearing ignorant or working
> >> against us because we've not sought their opinion/contribution/wise
> >> counsel.  Similar outreach efforts could focus on the next generation
> >> of IP lawyers via the universities/law firms and perhaps having a
> >> press release which focusses on surfacing and resolving any technical
> >> legal issues arising from the draft would be sufficient, timely and
> >> self-limiting.
> >>
> >> Therefore, to my short-sited eyes it appears to me that an element of
> >> a media strategy could be
> >>
> >> 1) Before the official launch - largely focus on  minimizing 'surprise'
> >> 2) After the official launch - focus would largely shift from
> >> 'minimizing surprise' to 'maximizing uptake i.e. use' ;)
> >>
> >> Perhaps those closer to the IP community can suggest a hit-list of 10
> >> groups which,  'must not be surprised by the arrival of the HK-version
> >> of 3.0 license'.
> >>
> >> m2c.
> >>
> >> p.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Ben, I think your concerns about the media are very
> >>> well-founded. :) We also don't want to create a situation where many
> >>> media  do their CC-HK stories before the launch, and then lose
> >>> interest in doing another story around the launch itself because they
> >>> already did one earlier... You are absolutely right that we should
> >>> plan our media strategy so that we have the capacity to properly
> >>> handle the queries received as a result of publicity.
> >>>
> >>> We have a little budget here to secure a domain name if that's ok
> >>> with CC-international..
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Rebecca
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008 3:28 PM, Ben < chpapa AT gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:chpapa AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>     I always think it is a good idea to promote CC in Hong Kong at
> >>>     anytime
> >>>     :-) Since we've now entered the public discussion of draft,  I think
> >>>     setting up a site for queries and public information make sense if 
> >>> we
> >>>     want to make those keep track of but don't have the time to explore
> >>>     the wiki get involved.
> >>>
> >>>     Some community members had mentioned that we should register
> >>>     creativecommons.org.hk <http://creativecommons.org.hk> ASAP when
> >>>     it is still available, maybe it is a
> >>>     good chance to do that if there are some budget? (That's HKD $200 
> >>> for
> >>>     a one year contract)
> >>>
> >>>     Although CCi suggested that the tradition of not having a lot of
> >>>     publicity before launch is changing, I'm a bit worried for a press
> >>>     release, which may result in some misleading press coverage, maybe
> >>>     someone will write a story to say that CC-HK was launched while
> >>>     actually it is not? (Most of the news reporters from local newspaper
> >>>     don't know wikimedia and wikipedia is not identical until I tried
> >>>     very
> >>>     hard to correct them in my experience -_-)
> >>>
> >>>     Instead of a simple press release, Rebecca's idea of designating
> >>>     individuals or companies who uses Creative Commons for interview
> >>>     would
> >>>     work better as I think it is more possible to have a in-depth talk
> >>>     with the reporter to make sure the report contains correct
> >>>     information.
> >>>
> >>>     Just my personal observation and worries, I'm in a email thread with
> >>>     top journalism professionals so please correct me or make other
> >>>     suggestions. :-)
> >>>
> >>>     Ben
> >>>
> >>>     On Jan 3, 2008 2:10 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>>     <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>     > OK thanks. I guess probably the best thing to do is for the
> >>>     JMSC to create a
> >>>     > bilingual information page about CC-HK on our own website which
> >>>     we can
> >>>     > direct local press queries to, and then take it from there with
> >>>     a press
> >>>     > release and so forth once we are ready. Before doing a press
> >>>     release I'd
> >>>     > love to be able to designate people, companies, and projects
> >>>     around HK who
> >>>     > are already using the unported CC licenses or who are advocates
> >>>     of CC in
> >>>     > various ways, who would be interested in speaking to
> >>>     journalists about why
> >>>     > CC is good for them. Seems like our cc-hk wiki is a good place
> >>>     to develop
> >>>     > that initial list?
> >>>     >
> >>>     > Cheers,
> >>>     > Rebecca
> >>>     >
> >>>     > On Jan 3, 2008 2:05 PM, Mike Linksvayer <
>
> >>>     ml AT creativecommons.org <mailto:ml AT creativecommons.org>> wrote:
> >>>     > > Traditionally there has not been much publicity around the
> >>>     stages of
> >>>     > > porting prior to actual launch, but we're trying to change
> >>>     that.  I
> >>>     > > suspect Michelle Thorne from CCi will be doing a CC blog post
> >>>     about the
> >>>     > > beginning of CC HK public discussions, but any other
> >>>     publicity would be
> >>>     > > welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > > On the licenses I defer to Catharina (and I defer to her on
> >>>     the above,
> >>>     > > if she disagrees!)
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > > Mike
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > > Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> >>>     > > > Thanks Catharina! This is very exciting. I look forward to
> >>>     seeing the
> >>>     > > > feedback from people on this list.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > > One question: how much general publicity about the public
> >>>     discussion is
> >>>     > > > customary for CC projects at this stage? Some questions
> >>>     have arisen here
> >>>     > > > at the JMSC about whether we should issue a press release.
> >>>     I had been
> >>>     > > > under the impression that this phase of public discussion
> >>>     is largely for
> >>>     > > > people who know something about IP law and/or who are
> >>>     already familiar
> >>>     > > > with CC, but please correct me if I am wrong about this.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > > Questions have also arisen here about whether and when we
> >>>     should
> >>>     > > > translate these materials into Chinese sooner than later
> >>>     given that some
> >>>     > > > parts of our core target community may feel excluded by an
> >>>     English-only
> >>>     > > > discussion. I know that in August it was decided we should
> >>>     do the
> >>>     > > > English license first since it's valid in Hong Kong law
> >>>     then do the
> >>>     > > > Chinese language translation later. I also know that Yahong
> >>>     and Alice do
> >>>     > > > not have the time to do the translation on their own. Any
> >>>     suggestions or
> >>>     > > > thoughts from anybody out there?
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > > Cheers,
> >>>     > > > Rebecca
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > > On Jan 3, 2008 5:21 AM, Catharina Maracke <
> >>>     catharina AT creativecommons.org <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org>
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > >
> >>>     > > > <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org
>
> >>>     <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org> >> wrote:
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Dear all!
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Welcome to the discussion of the Creative Commons
> >>>     license for Hong
> >>>     > > >     Kong! You will find the draft including some comments
> >>>     of the
> >>>     > > >     substantial legal changes here:
> >>>     > > >     _http://creativecommons.org/international/hk/_
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     I would like to take this opportunity and thank Dr.
> >>>     Yahong Li, Alice
> >>>     > > >     Lee (Legal Project Leads) and Rebecca MacKinnon (Public
> >>>     Project
> >>>     > > >     Lead) for their wonderful work and effort on this project.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Please feel free to review, comment, and make
> >>>     suggestions to things
> >>>     > > >     that will help the licenses comply with Hong Kong law.
> >>>     The role of
> >>>     > > >     the discussion is to start the public debate and to
> >>>     make the least
> >>>     > > >     amount of changes necessary to bring the license into
> >>>     accord with
> >>>     > > >     Hong Kong law. Also, please feel free to ask general
> >>>     questions about
> >>>     > > >     the Creative Commons licenses in the cc-mailing list:
> >>>     > > >     _http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses_
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Part of the fun of this discussion will be, I hope,
> >>>     that we get to
> >>>     > > >     compare the quirks and eccentricities of our respective
> >>>     nations'
> >>>     > > >     copyright laws.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     We expect the archived discussions to serve as a
> >>>     history of this
> >>>     > > >     experience. That way, your input will continue be
> >>>     useful to anyone
> >>>     > > >     from any country even after the discussion for Hong
> >>>     Kong is
> >>>     > completed.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     I am very much looking forward to a fruitful and open
> >>>     discussion!
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Thank you very much.
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     All the best,
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     Catharina
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >     ..
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     >
> >>>     
> >>> ............................................................................
> >>>     > > >     Dr. Catharina Maracke
> >>>     > > >     Director, Creative Commons International
> >>>     > > >     Gipsstrasse 12
> >>>     > > >     10119 Berlin
> >>>     > > >     Phone: +49-30-28 09 39 09
> >>>     > > >     Fax: +49-30-28 09 39 10
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > >
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> >>>     > > >
> >>>     > > > --
> >>>     > > > Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>>     > > > Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>>     > > > University of Hong Kong   ( http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> >>>     > > > E-mail: rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk> <mailto:
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> >>>     > --
> >>>     > Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>>     > Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>>     > University of Hong Kong   (http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> >>>     > E-mail: rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk> | Tel: +852-2219-4005
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>> Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>> University of Hong Kong   (http://jmsc.hku.hk)
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