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[Indelible Bonobo <indelible.bonobo AT gmail.com>]

Thank you for your reply, Sindi.

I am quite sure Debian fits on the HD partition (500MB ext2 + 100MB
swap) as I installed it on this HD using another computer.
Unfortunately, I could not transplant the HD - perhaps the mobo reads
the HD using a different geometry - neither Grub nor Lilo could boot
Linux, though Lilo was able to boot DOS. The question is whether the
RAM is sufficient and I'm quite sure that by going this route
(building it from the ground up and not installing everything) it will
work.

The reason why I have to keep transplating the HD is that this mobo
cannot boot a CDROM and I'm not sure whether the floppy drive is
defective or the floppy I tried had problems, but the floppy started
out as good and readable and after format is unusable, so I'd rather
not mess with floppies anymore. The Ethernet card - 3Com 3509 E III
cannot boot from the network either.

The problem with trying the distros you've mentioned is first - they
are very slow as they insist on booting a GUI which is probably
optimized for i686 - it takes forever to do anything in it. There
probably is a way to prevent it from loading and stay in CLI but on
the terminal few commands seem to be working and I have difficulties
finding information on how to run it via CLI, or how to install it
from DOS.

I was able to boot Pulp from DOS with loadlin, but it took forever and
I could not get networking up and running, which meant essentially I
was stuck.

I had thought debootstrap installs /bin/bash onto the ext2 partition.
I'll look to see if I can install gpg, the keyring, sha1sum from
Slackware9 (couldn't find gpg on S4). The alternative would be to copy
the Deb CD ISO contents to the HD and start it with loadlin.

If I can install Debian, I can then upgrade Tor via apt-get from the
repos, without having to depend on someone else to update it for me.

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> After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
> give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
> transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
> miss the OS (I tried booting with both).
>
> I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
> decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
>
> The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and 
> issued
>
> /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
> http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian
>
> (in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
> assumed that's there to suggest full line)
>
> Here's the output of that command:
>
> I: Retrieving InRelease
> I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
> I: Retrieving Release
> W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
> /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
> I: Retrieving Packages
> I: Validating Packages
> E: Cannot check sha1sum
>
> Issuing the next command in the guide,
>
> # LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
>
> returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
> is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
> this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
>
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>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:10:57 -0400
>> From: Indelible Bonobo <indelible.bonobo AT gmail.com>
>> Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
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>> Thank you, Sindi.
>>
>> I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
>> after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
>> link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
>>
>> I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
>> I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
>> wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
>> have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
>> thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
>> which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
>>
>> It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
>> machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
>> discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
>> stable, even the old ones.
>>
>> I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
>> that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
>> in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
>> tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
>>
>> Another suggestion thrown my way was Linux from Scratch:
>> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Indelible Bonobo
>>
>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:28:40 -0400
>>> From: Indelible Bonobo <indelible.bonobo AT gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [BL] compiling TOR
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>>> I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
>>> and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
>>> offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
>>> compile some modern programs.
>>>
>>> I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
>>> http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
>>> and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
>>> ./configure (listed all at
>>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
>>> )
>>>
>>> Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
>>> existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
>>> I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
>>> unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
>>> install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
>>> no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
>>> updated Busybox.
>>>
>>> I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
>>> allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
>>> install / upgrade?
>>>
>>> [Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
>>> was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:23:10 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>
>>> Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
>>> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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>>> Take a look at pkg script and see where it is looking for grep, and
>>> symlink the new grep to that location, or point the pkg script at it.
>>> I am using BL2 so cannot check pkg right now.
>>>
>>> A lot of programs will not compile with the tools from BL.  One option is
>>> to try to compile against uclibc. Read about that in the archive.
>>>
>>> Welcome to our very-little-used mail list.
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>>> Sindi
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Indelible Bonobo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I installed BasLin on a Pentium I 75 hoping to be able to compile TOR
>>>> and run that computer as a non-exit relay. I'm hoping someone can
>>>> offer some tips as to which packages must I install to be able to
>>>> compile some modern programs.
>>>>
>>>> I installed gcc and the other tools from Slackware 4.0 as described at
>>>> http://www.consumedconsumer.org/2012/10/linux-tor-relay-on-pentium-75.html
>>>> and when trying to compile I get a bunch of complaints from
>>>> ./configure (listed all at
>>>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4803018#post4803018
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the most significant complaint, in my judgement, is about the
>>>> existing grep (via Busybox, if I'm not mistaken) being not up to par.
>>>> I tried upgrading grep with grep.tgz from Slackware 4 and/or 9 but
>>>> unfortunately that caused pkg to malfunction. Now everytime I try to
>>>> install something I get an error in pkg (line 21 or so) stating that
>>>> no grep can be found. In retrospect, I should have perhaps just
>>>> updated Busybox.
>>>>
>>>> I will reinstall everything, but to bring the box to a state that
>>>> allows compilation of Tor (and maybe other programs), what should I
>>>> install / upgrade?
>>>>
>>>> [Hello everybody, this is my first post on this list. Hope your week
>>>> was super and your week-end.. even better :)]
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>>> Sindi Keesan
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:25:31 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>
>>> Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
>>> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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>>> Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
>>> Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
>>> somewhat less.  It supports much more modern software.
>>>
>>> Sindi Keesan
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:21:23 +0100
>>> From: "Ian" <info AT freedomnet.org.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
>>> To: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>,
>>>         baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Message-ID: <5077D303.11889.3E0A40 AT info.freedomnet.org.uk>
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>>> Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>> On 11 Oct 2012 at 19:25, sindi keesan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
>>>> Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
>>>> somewhat less.  It supports much more modern software.
>>>>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>
>>> Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
>>> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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>>> Forum.  http://murga-linux.com/puppy
>>> Search on pulp linux.  There is one discussion item with a link to the
>>> latest location of the .iso file.  I can explain how to boot the 'frugal'
>>> installation with loadlin or lilo.  Later versions require grub to boot.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Ian wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sindi, is there a mailing list, like this one for puppy?
>>>>
>>>> Ian.
>>>> On 11 Oct 2012 at 19:25, sindi keesan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Try the pulp version of puppy linux, which has a precompiled TOR.
>>>>> Pulp boots into 10MB memory and if you exit (or don't load) the GUI,
>>>>> somewhat less.  It supports much more modern software.
>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>
>> Subject: Re: [BL] compiling TOR
>> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Indelible Bonobo wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Sindi.
>>>
>>> I figured out how grep was installed and fixed it about 20 minutes
>>> after posting :) (deleted the existing executable and recreated the
>>> link to busybox in /bin with ln -s )
>>
>> I thought you wanted the newer/fuller grep for something.
>>
>>> I tried getting more info on Pulp, but it is mostly in German. I guess
>>> I'd have to find out through trial & error how it works, and that
>>> wouldn't be so easy b/c this computer has the kb circuitry fried so I
>>> have to pull out the HD and install on another computer. Also, I'm
>>> thinking that the Tor provided in Pulp is not update-able via repos,
>>> which would through me into the compilation dilemma again.
>>
>> The info on pulp at the forum is in English.
>> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy search on pulp
>> Packages for Puppy tend to be whatever the users decide to offer.
>> Search the forum (or a search engine) for Tor and puppy.  Usually puppy
>> packages will work with pulp, unless they require gtk > 2.0.
>>
>> To install puppy copy the main .sfs file to any ext2 partition, and the
>> kernel and initrd to a fat32 partition, and boot with loadlin.  Or use
>> lilo.  Email me offlist for details.  Then any changes you make go into a
>> second file automatically when you exit.
>>
>>> It is important to be able to update Tor especially on an always on
>>> machine as I plan this to be, b/c exploits, bugs and memory leaks are
>>> discovered and corrected all the time. The kernel is otherwise quite
>>> stable, even the old ones.
>>
>> A search on puppy linux tor got me a puppy linux wika listing three
>> versions of tor (37 38 39) from 2012, Jun Aug Sep.  Someone is keeping up
>> with it.  The package manager will fetch the dependencies for you.
>>
>>
>>> I will look up the archive about uclibc, but right now I'm thinking
>>> that a better way would be to cross-compile, since I'm running linux
>>> in other environments where compilation is not easy (e.g., my NAS). I
>>> tried searching the archive for this but could not find much.
>>
>> Let us know how it goes.
>>
>>> Another suggestion thrown my way was Linux from Scratch:
>>> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
>> Have fun with this.
>> Sindi
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Indelible Bonobo
>>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:15:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: sindi keesan <keesan AT SDF.ORG>
> Subject: Re: [BL] debian install from baslin
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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, Indelible Bonobo wrote:
>
>> After unsuccessfully fiddling with BasLin and Puppy, I've decided to
>> give Debian a try. I managed to install it on another computer, but
>> transplanting the HD back to the P75 caused either Grub or Lilo to
>> miss the OS (I tried booting with both).
>>
>> I then managed to regain keyboard control of the Pentium 75 and
>> decided to try installing Debian from Baslinux using
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
>>
>> The first error I got was no pkginfo available, so I installed perl and 
>> issued
>>
>> /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/debinst
>> http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian
>>
>> (in the guide there's a \ between squeeze and /mnt/debinst but I
>> assumed that's there to suggest full line)
>>
>> Here's the output of that command:
>>
>> I: Retrieving InRelease
>> I: Failed to retrieve InRelease
>> I: Retrieving Release
>> W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available
>> /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
>> I: Retrieving Packages
>> I: Validating Packages
>> E: Cannot check sha1sum
>>
>> Issuing the next command in the guide,
>>
>> # LANG=C chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
>>
>> returns "no /bin/bash" found. I checked and the file does exist and it
>> is an executable (it's not even a simlink to busybox). How do I fix
>> this and are the W or E above in need of fixing?
>
> BL3 comes with md5sum not sha1sum and I know nothing about keyring.
> You can add Slackware 4 packages.
>
> I think your command is looking for /bin/bash in /mnt/debinst
> not in BL3.
>
> The latest Debian is quite unlikely to fit into the amount of memory or
> hard drive of a P75.  It may have filled the drive without installing
> bash.
>
> What went wrong when you tried to install the Pulp version of Puppy?
> The regular versions require at least 128MB memory (256 is much better).
>
> Have you tried Tinycore linux?  There are quite a few very small
> single-purpose linuxes.  Blueflops (runs from two floppies), etc.
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