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Subject: Re: [BL] BasLinux Digest, Vol 97, Issue 13
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:37:18 -0500

Hi Steven:

I have to use dialup at the house and one thing I found very
helpful was using an add on utility in firefox that allows you to run
with no images and then view the ones you want with one click. It is
called show-hide images.

Also I use http://natblast.com/ as my provider , it is 81.00 a year
for 200 hours and they never cut you off unless you run out of time. I
forgot once and left it on for 4 days and it never missed as beat. I
had to pay 7.75 for a one month contract as I ran out of minutes a
week later, twice in 3 years is not bad. There is no contract , month
to month.

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> 2. Re: BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube (baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 3. Re: BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube (baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org)
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> Youtube (baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 5. Re: BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube (baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org)
> 6. Best mplayer (baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:35:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1104201634440.14687 AT sdf.lonestar.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
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> Save the following as an html file and play with lynx.
> I corrected a few things. These links are all tested working
> with mplayer directly (today, April 20 2011 - things change).
>
> <html>
> SRADIO.TV worldwide radio links
>
> 
>
> CLASSICAL 
>
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/654.asx";>czech(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/971.asx";>norway1(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/972.asx";>norway2(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/603.asx";>ottoopera(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/24104.asx";>ottobaroque(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/1072.asx";>portugal(32K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/1005.asx";>belgium(32K)</a> 
> 
>
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/1840.asx";>russia (64K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/575.asx";>skyfm (128K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/1407.asx";>swiss(128K)</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/1164.asx";>france(128K)- talk?</a> 
>
> 
>
> ETHNIC 
> 
>
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/290.asx";>turkey</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/23410.asx";>greece</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/24463.asx";>columbia</a> 
> <a href="http://sradio.tv/asx/24392.asx";>argentina</a> 
> </html>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:22:05 +1200
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20110421102205.257eb6fd.ln8d-on8g AT dea.spamcon.org>
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>
> Message from Steven
> ===================
> Sindi wrote:
>>
>> Prague's Classic http://sradio.tv/asx/654.asx (32K)
>> Norway Oslo http://sradio.tv/asx/971.asx (40K
>> RDP Portugal http://sradio.tv/asx/1072.asx (32K)
>> Otto Opera House http://sradio.tv/asx/603.asx (32K)
>> Otto Baroque http://sradio.tv/asx/24014.asx (32K)
>
> I don't like 32K and 40K streams. They take up so
> much bandwidth on my dialup connection that I can't
> do anything else online without exhausting the
> stream. 20K and 24K streams are fine -- as long as
> I fill the cache first, I can do my normal online
> browsing, emailing and googling. I love 8K and 16K
> streams, although they are getting harder to find
> these days. I have three 16K streams and one 8K
> stream that I regularly listen to. They are talk
> stations (no music) so the audio quality is fine.
> There used to be a lot more 16K streams, but most
> of them have "upgraded" to an unusable format
> (swf or 48K plus). My favorite talk station,
> which streamed happily at 12K for many years,
> is now streaming at 128K (talk only, no music).
> Ridiculous.
>
> The streams get fatter and fatter, the graphics
> get denser and denser, the webpages are filled
> with more and more junk. This is completely
> unnecessary. My ears can't hear the difference
> between a 16K stream (non-music) and a 128K
> stream. My eyes can't see the difference
> between a 100kb graphic and a 1000kb graphic.
> But, what I do notice, what is blindingly
> obvious, is how that useless bloat clogs my
> hardware.
>
> My first computer was a great wordprocessor,
> had some wonderful games, and displayed
> nice graphics. It could even take a 300
> baud modem (although it was too expensive
> for me). My current computer is 1000 times
> faster and has 30,000 times the RAM. Surely
> that makes it unbelievably quick and powerful.
> Nope. Feed my computer a typical webpage and
> it goes into a feverish trance, emerging after
> several minutes with an unreadable overlapping
> display (because some idiot thinks an 800x600
> screen has insufficient pixels to display his
> graphical masterpiece).
>
> I few years ago, I could watch videos over
> my dailup connection. Those videos are long
> gone, and now static graphics and audio streams
> are becoming too fat for dialup. Most dialup
> users have upgraded to DSL, but I'm beginning
> to see content that is too fat for ordinary
> DSL. Apparently DSL2 (or whatever it's called)
> is now the baseline. Tomorrow, no doubt, the
> content will be too fat for DSL2, and everyone
> will need fibre to the door. And then what?
> Will this madness ever stop?
>
> Cheers,
> Steven
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:09:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1104202330330.2930 AT sdf.lonestar.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> >From Sindi:
> Before I forget:
> http://keesan.freeshell.org/bl/mplay-class.tgz
> contains a menu/script mplay-class which lets you
> choose from a multitude of mplayer-usable classical
> radio stations or select sradio, which uses lynx
> to access an html file with sradio.tv stations.
> If you don't have lynx, either rewrite one of
> my files or symlink it to links. Unfortunately
> most of these stations require broadband.
>
>
>> Message from Steven
>> ===================
>> Sindi wrote:
>>>
>>> Prague's Classic http://sradio.tv/asx/654.asx (32K)
>>> Norway Oslo http://sradio.tv/asx/971.asx (40K
>>> RDP Portugal http://sradio.tv/asx/1072.asx (32K)
>>> Otto Opera House http://sradio.tv/asx/603.asx (32K)
>>> Otto Baroque http://sradio.tv/asx/24014.asx (32K)
>
> My apologies, but sradio.tv had nothing slower than 32K
> that I could access with my setup. I appreciate your
> problem since I also used dialup until recently, which
> is why I included station speeds. E. Europe and China
> had plenty of slower stations but the classical ones I
> tried did not work with lynx/mplayer. It is possible
> that some of them were just busy.
>
> http://keesan.freeshell.org/bl/classrad-dialup-2011.tgz
> is a collection of stations that don't require broadband.
>
> See 'slowrad' for a script that generates a larger menu of
> stations 8-32K, most of which no longer work.
> wdav, weku, mbpc still work at 24K - check out the
> others yourself. I think I included all the working
> ones in the 'dialup 2011' collection and at least
> five more of these work at 24K.
>
>> I don't like 32K and 40K streams. They take up so
>> much bandwidth on my dialup connection that I can't
>> do anything else online without exhausting the
>> stream. 20K and 24K streams are fine -- as long as
>> I fill the cache first, I can do my normal online
>> browsing, emailing and googling. I love 8K and 16K
>> streams, although they are getting harder to find
>> these days. I have three 16K streams and one 8K
>> stream that I regularly listen to. They are talk
>> stations (no music) so the audio quality is fine.
>> There used to be a lot more 16K streams, but most
>> of them have "upgraded" to an unusable format
>> (swf or 48K plus). My favorite talk station,
>> which streamed happily at 12K for many years,
>> is now streaming at 128K (talk only, no music).
>> Ridiculous.
>
> I agree. I had to switch from ISA to PCI modem
> to even make 24K stations usable.
>
> A lot of people living far from towns here also
> still use dialup connections because nothing
> else is available (other than 3G cell phone or
> satellite, which are expensive).
>
> Have you tried downloading midi files instead?
> Classical LPs are 10 for $1 here at our library
> booksale.
>
>> The streams get fatter and fatter, the graphics
>> get denser and denser, the webpages are filled
>> with more and more junk. This is completely
>> unnecessary. My ears can't hear the difference
>> between a 16K stream (non-music) and a 128K
>> stream. My eyes can't see the difference
>> between a 100kb graphic and a 1000kb graphic.
>> But, what I do notice, what is blindingly
>> obvious, is how that useless bloat clogs my
>> hardware.
>
> 16K sounds better to me than the only classical
> broadcast stations we can get in our large university
> town, all from about 100 km away and full of static.
>
> Online, a 100K graphic is still overkill unless it
> is full page.
>
> The newer browsers are actually better at dealing
> with bloat. Opera 10 Turbo will reduce image quality,
> and 11 has a 'clean pages' extension that will
> show only full-page text, and various browser
> plugins to eliminate ads, flash, etc. But the
> browsers themselves require a fast cpu and lots
> of memory (and GTK2 or QT4).
>
> Don't forget 'modern' mail programs by default
> sending two copies of every mail, the second with
> html tags added. (Office is even worse).
>
>> My first computer was a great wordprocessor,
>> had some wonderful games, and displayed
>> nice graphics. It could even take a 300
>
> Mine was bad at graphics - TTL monitor, which
> displayed text much better than VGA did.
>
>> baud modem (although it was too expensive
>> for me). My current computer is 1000 times
>> faster and has 30,000 times the RAM. Surely
>
> Mine had .5MB RAM x 30,000 would be 15MB (?)
> And 8 MHz. I used it for 13 years.
>
>> several minutes with an unreadable overlapping
>> display (because some idiot thinks an 800x600
>> screen has insufficient pixels to display his
>> graphical masterpiece).
>
> Opera 9 produces overlapping display if you
> tell it to resize image to fit page.
> I found this out at the forum. You can
> display the whole page at 80% instead
> and make the text larger or switch to
> View, Accessibility Layout (shows nice clear
> text, and images along the right side of the
> page instead of overlapping at the top,
> similar to what links2 shows at
> http://dpreview.com, where a row of images
> are on top of each other if you resize
> images to fit page, or normally four
> of them are across page top, but with
> acc. layout or links2 they are on the
> right side. Or maybe those are different
> images?
>
> This page was designed for 1024 resolution.
> All my computers made this century can do that.
> One low-end 1999 laptop displays 800x600.
>
> Is there a particular page causing you problems?
> Opera might have a way to display it usable.
>
> Sindi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:14:12 +0000 (UTC)
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1104210108370.26989 AT sdf.lonestar.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> http:/splayer.info/rsearch.php
>
> splayer is a small 2.5MB Windows freeware player of many music formats.
> (Sounds similar to smplayer, which is a free Windows player based on
> mplayer that plays streaming audio, and DVDs, etc.).
> Their site has a link to radio stations which is excellent.
>
> Choose a genre from their list. 48 (!) classical stations of which most
> that I checked work for me - asx, pls, m3u. Taiwan, South Korea, Germany,
> France, Switzerland, US college stations...
>
> All 96K or 128K so far. A search on streaming radio low-bandwidth got me
> someone's opinion that anything less than 128K is grainy but some people
> can tolerate 96K.
>
> Sindi Keesan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:52:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] BL2 Internet Radio was mplayer, was Re: Flash and
> Youtube
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1104210020390.10586 AT sdf.lonestar.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Sindi wrote:
>
> http://sradio.tv lists six RHTK (hong kong) stations all 20K
> and most of the other Chinese stations are also low bandwidth.
> The ones I tried don't work.
>
> USA Bloomberg 20K works and is news.
>
> http://splayer.info/rsearch.php classical stations that work for me
> (not counting mms: which might work with mplayer directly but not
> via lynx browser)
>
> Radio Classique/Classic (French or German)
> Swiss RadioCrazy Classical
> KSJN St. Paul Minnesota
> WCLV NE Ohio
> WETA Washington state
>
> OTTO Baroque
>
> AVRO Baroque
> AVRO Best (both 256K)
> France Musique
> DRS2 Swiss
> Bayern4 (Germany)
> WCPE
> WGBH (Boston Massachusetts)
> KVOD = CPR (Colorado)
>
> This is 14 stations, of which I already had 3 or 4.
>
> A lot of station links were broken (disappeared).
>
> mms: stations include
> SRKlassikst
> Australian 2MBS 3MBS 4MBS
> Taiwan
> Osterreich
> Austria (may be the same)
> WABE
>
> One Swiss station is now streaming aac plus (aacp).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:11:45 +1200
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [BL] Best mplayer
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20110421141145.1e683e94.ln8d-on8g AT dea.spamcon.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Message from Steven
> ===================
> Ron wrote:
>>
>> I have again uploaded the only version of
>> MPlayer .flv and .mp4 videos in Linux.
>> For me, it runs in BL3, BL2, SW9, SW10,
>> Knoppix4, SUSE - on 600MHz or faster machines.
>>
>> http://www.ausreg.com/bl/misc/mplayer5
>>
>> It is a static build, just over 12 MB.
>>
>> YMMV !
>
> This is the best mplayer ever! Not only does it
> play flv videos, it also plays AAC audio streams.
> Liquidcompass has been using ACC more and more
> for its radio stations. Until now, I've been
> unable to hear them. Many thanks, Ron.
>
> This new mplayer also has an improved readout.
> I particularly like that the current volume
> is now shown on the screen and changes as you
> increase/decrease it.
>
> If you have a Pentium III, this mplayer will
> probably work for you. Earlier computers
> probably won't work. Later computers, maybe.
>
> Cheers,
> Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:54:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] Best mplayer
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1104210253270.17688 AT sdf.lonestar.org>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>>> Knoppix4, SUSE - on 600MHz or faster machines.
>>>
>>> http://www.ausreg.com/bl/misc/mplayer5
>>>
>>> It is a static build, just over 12 MB.
>>>
>>> YMMV !
>>
>> This is the best mplayer ever! Not only does it
>> play flv videos, it also plays AAC audio streams.
>> Liquidcompass has been using ACC more and more
>> for its radio stations. Until now, I've been
>> unable to hear them. Many thanks, Ron.
>
> What are the dependencies besides i686?
>
> Sindi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:10:46 +1000
> From: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [BL] Best mplayer
> To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <3e05f8$7bmd0r AT smtp05.syd.iprimus.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:11:45 +1200, baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
>
>> Message from Steven
>> ===================
>> Ron wrote:
>>> I have again uploaded the only version of
>>> MPlayer .flv and .mp4 videos in Linux.
>>> http://www.ausreg.com/bl/misc/mplayer5
>>> It is a static build, just over 12 MB.
>
>> This is the best mplayer ever! Not only does it
>> play flv videos, it also plays AAC audio streams.
>
> Yes, it does. And will stream video if you have a fast enough
> connection. Also plays all vids except .ogv and .web.
> It even does 3g vids but without audio support.
>
>> If you have a Pentium III, this mplayer will
>> probably work for you. Earlier computers
>> probably won't work. Later computers, maybe.
>
> I think probably OK with faster machines. It runs on my other machine,
> about 3 GHz.
>
> I was lucky that this particular snapshot actually compiled in SW9 on
> this 600 MHz machine - later snapshots did NOT compile.
>
> If I still have the sources, does anybody want to compile it for their
> specific machine ?
>
> Regards,
> Ron
>
> Ron Clarke
> AUSREG Consultancy http://www.ausreg.com
> Tadpole Tunes http://www.tadpoletunes.com
> -- This mail was written by a user of the Arachne Browser -
> http://www.glennmcc.org/
>
> DOS: For IQs higher than 95, 98 or 2000.
>
>
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