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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 2001 Gateway 300S PRB PC (Greg Mayman)
   2. Re: 2001 Gateway 300S PRB PC (Lee Forrest)
   3. Re: Xvesa Xli Images (Lee Forrest)
   4. Re: Help for a newbie (3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org)
   5. Re: Help for a newbie (3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org)
   6. Re: Help for a newbie (Sheldon Isaac)
   7. Re: Help for a newbie (Ron Clarke)
   8. Re: Help for a newbie (Greg Mayman)
   9. Re: OT: Arachne multiple email accounts (was: Help for
      anewbie) (Greg Mayman)
  10. Re: Help for a newbie (Greg Mayman)
  11. Re: Help for a newbie (Ron Clarke)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:18:15 +1030
From: "Greg Mayman" <gmone AT tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [BL] 2001 Gateway 300S PRB PC
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:07:00 +0000 (UTC), sindi keesan wrote:

> junk:
> 1.  old or discarded material...that can be put to some use.
> 2.  Informal.  anything regarded as worthless or useless.

Junk: stuff we throw out. Stuff: junk we keep.

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Without that attitude, second-hand shops would never do any business
<GGGGG>

.   ,-./\
.  /     \     from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
.  \_,-*_/     "Queen City of The South"    34:55 S  138:36 E
.       v



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:30:52 +0000
From: Lee Forrest <lforrestster AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BL] 2001 Gateway 300S PRB PC
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 07:03:47PM +0200, Karolis Lyvens wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:25:51AM +0000, Lee Forrest wrote:
> 
> > Any rational person would choose this computer over every single
> > computer Sindi owns. All of them together.
> > 
> > And even if her time is only worth the minimum wage, she spends a
> > lot more than that a month on labor costs. Plus the cash she puts
> > out. Which probably of itself averages out to more than 16.39/mo.
> 
> I think that you may find this definition
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) highly apropos of your
> behaviour sometimes. Why do you think that one who likes his/her work
> and finds pleasure (Sindi, correct me if I'm wrong) in it necessarily
> thinks of money?

Because she needs money to live, like all of is. And only has so
much time in a day.

> This statement about money/labour/wages/costs of
> yours somehow reminds me of Bill Gates' Open letter to hobbyists
> (http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html). Particularly,
> this phrase he said in that letter:
> 
> "Who can afford to do professional work for nothing?"
> 
> Why one has to think about potential profit and money (which could be
> made during time one spends doing different things) when one enjoys what
> he/she is doing?

I didn't say money should be the _only_ consideration.

And if it wasn't for those 'professionals', with their excess income, who
could afford to discard computers that were still basically sound, Sindi
wouldn't have any old computers to play with, would she?

> > On the other hand, I don't know anywhere near as much about hardware
> > as she does.
> 
> I think that I could be a candidate :)
> 
> Currently, I have about 10 computers around me. And a heck a lot more
> in basement (so called "cave"). Maybe 40 or more. Ranging from an XT to
> 2.6GHz Athlon. Okay, they're not all exclusively mine (most of them are
dad's), 
> but still - using old computers can be a lot of fun: it is always
> interesting to watch a piece of hardware that others call "ancient" (or
> maybe "ancient" enough that they haven't seen anything like it at all)
> perform tasks that it wasn't designed for, play with DOS era programs,
> games, twiddle with configuration, drivers, achieve things that weren't
> done with this hardware in it's era, etc.
> 
> It _is_ fun to tinker with old hardware.

Sure. I plan on doing it myself.

> > And recycling old computers _is_ good for the enviroment.
> 
> To environment, yes. But it does absolutely no harm to environment if
> you still use them or, at least, store them inside. It actually
> doesn't matter if you throw out a new computer or an old one - it still
> has the same effect to environment. I don't think anyone would argue
> that it's better to recycle non-working parts than to throw them out.
> But when the computer still works and you can still use it, what's the
> point of throwing it out / recycling it?..

Once again: If people weren't doing that, neither you nor your dad nor
Sindi would have them to play with.

> Old computers are mostly as good as the day they were produced.  They can
> be used to browse the web, email, for text editing... Mostly the same
> tasks as a modern computer. Maybe they wouldn't be as fast as more recent
> computers, but if you can balance the load (OS/applications etc) with
> hardware's capabilities, you can have a comparative or better performance.
> And, if *nothing* else, _any_ box can work flawlessly as a terminal to
> a more powerful machine.

Sure.

> > People often throw away perfectly good computers because they've
> > purchased a more 'powerful' one. The Latest Model. Selling them
> > isn't worth the bother and once they've decided to discard it,
> > they don't take care of it. One good thump can render a computer
> > useless. Or damage critical components in subtle ways. Exposure
> > to moisture can do a job on them.
> 
> Right, but too many of them (thrown out computers) are working. Here
> where I live, in flea market pretty often you can see people selling
> computers that were thrown out in Germany (or Sweden, etc). They range
> from 386's (rare now, but still) to almost GHz. People throw them
> out when they're perfectly good and working...

Yes. And you and Sindi _should_ be grateful for their wastefullness.
Otherwise you are out of 'business', aren't you?

> -snip-
> 
> > (When I'm away for any length of time, I have a cron job connect
> > to the internet for a few minutes once an hour. If I login
> > [telnet] the timeout is cancelled. A bash script runs instead of
> > a shell, offering a Restricted Shell to the the person who logs
> > in. If they create a file [with a name from a list that only I
> > have, a different name for each hour] within 10 seconds, the shell
> > becomes a regular login shell. If they don't, the Restricted Shell
> > is killed and the connection to the internet is broken. Only one
> > command can be run in the Restricted Shell: touch <filename>.)
> 
> Sounds pretty interesting. Could you show the source?

It's just a bash script I wrote. Not a very complex one. And in
this case, because security issues are involved, I'll have to
decline.

I'll help you write a similar one for yourself, if you want.

It starts with putting the path to the script in /etc/passwd where
you would normally put the path to the shell.

> > Gateway makes good stuff. So good that they don't even have to
> > advertise. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another computer from them.
> 
> To be fair: I have never bought a new computer from a store. Every
> computer I have was either bought used or built at home.

It is my first and only computer. Before then, I had never even looked
seriously at a computer. I knew nothing about them. Had no idea what
a floppy was.

What I was looking for was an editor for my writing. I hated word
and ended up using notepad until I learned about linux and vi.

Lee

-- 
BasicLinux: Small is Beautiful
http://www.basiclinux.com.ru



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:33:09 +0000
From: Lee Forrest <lforrestster AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BL] Xvesa Xli Images
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:14:37AM -0600, James Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:35:38PM +0000, Lee Forrest wrote:
> > 
> > I can make it fit the screen by changing the geometry, but it isn't
> > usable with that huge font.
> > 
> > The font is set in ~/.Xdefaults at: rxvt*font: 6X9
> > 
> > I'd really like 16 bit, so if there is anyway to make this work, it
> > would be great.
> 
> I don't know how much this would help at that kind of resolution, but
there is such a thing 
> as a 5x7 fixed font. Not sure if there's anything smaller than that.

I'll give it a try.

>  Looks to me like you may be reaching the end of the line with
> Xvesa's capabilites and may need to install a more full-fledged
> X to get your video more useable.

That could be. Hope not.

Thanks,

Lee

-- 
BasicLinux: Small is Beautiful
http://www.basiclinux.com.ru



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:00:57 +1300
From: 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Greg Mayman wrote:
>
> Where is your site, Sindi?

You will find a link to Sindi's site at
the BL3 homepage.  Also links to the sites
of other users.

Cheers,
Steven


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:02:34 +1300
From: 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Greg Mayman wrote:
>
> So what you are saying is that sylpheed is a bad 
> choice for email handling, right?

No.  Sylpheed is a very good email handler.

Cheers,
Steven


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:06:37 -0500
From: "Sheldon Isaac" <sheldon.isaac AT verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
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On 9 Jan 2007 at 10:24, Greg Mayman wrote:

[portions snipped]
 
> Without some standard (such as documentation) to judge it by, how can
> I ever tell what is right and what is wrong?

http://sylpheeddoc.sourceforge.net/

(top one of the 207,00 Google hits for Sylpheed  documentation)

I hope this is of some help.

Thanks,
Sheldon






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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:07:32 +1000
From: "Ron Clarke" <ariadne AT ausreg.com>
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <20070109000809.A7E59FEDA AT duckula.hotkey.net.au>
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Hi Greg,

On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:47:02 +1030, Greg Mayman wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 03:17:58 +0000 (UTC), sindi keesan wrote:

>> Look for xmodmap.84 at my site and I may have also posted instructions in
>> blfiles.htm for using it.  It goes in .xinitrc and fixes the backspace
>> problem that we have with many of our keyboards, not just the 84-key

> Where is your site, Sindi?

http://keesan.freeshell.org/bl/

    The file is nearly to the bottom of the list.


Regards,
         Ron




Ron Clarke
AUSREG Consultancy      http://www.ausreg.com
Tadpole Tunes           http://www.tadpoletunes.com
-- This mail was written by a user of the Arachne Browser -
http://arachne.cz/


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:06:05 +1030
From: "Greg Mayman" <gmone AT tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <200701090036.l090a9jP006285 AT mail9.tpgi.com.au>
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:15:50 +1300, 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:

> (1) Does your mouse work perfectly when you run X in BL3?

I am not sure what you mean by "works perfectly".

My confidence has been shaken in how applicable any of my prior
knowledge is to BL.

Moving the mouse left, right, up or down moves the cursor in the
same direction. Right-clicking brings up a menu, left-clicking
selects the menu item the cursor is on.

Thats the way I would expect it to work. Is it also what you mean
by "works perfectly"? Or are there other functions I haven't
guessed?

> (2) Are you running sylpheed from icewm?

I really have no idea. What is icewm?

All I know is I boot BL, type "startx" at the CLI, then right-click the
mouse. On the menu that appears. I use the mouse to move the
cursor over "Applications" and left-click, then move it over
"Sylpheed" and left-click again, and sylpheed opens.

Dash it all!!! I am fed up with trying to run BL blind. I wanna know
what I'm doing and WHY!

Isn't there any documenation that can explain these things to me?

For just one example: why does ppp-on override the ATDT that is in my
modem's default setup and force ATDP for pulse dialling?

.   ,-./\
.  /     \     from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
.  \_,-*_/     "Queen City of The South"    34:55 S  138:36 E
.       v


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:02:15 +1030
From: "Greg Mayman" <gmone AT tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [BL] OT: Arachne multiple email accounts (was: Help for
        anewbie)
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <200701090036.l090a9jQ006285 AT mail9.tpgi.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:43:14 +1100, Ron Clarke wrote:


> With Arachne, I set up multiple "personalities" with a profile (***.acn)
each,

Or do you mean ACF files?

> all the same except for the email server/account/username/password to
match 
each
> email address I have.
> Then I edit mail.htm by adding a table of "personalities", with each one 
linking
> to the corresponding ***.acn file.  I can email you my (edited) version of
> mail.htm off-list, if you would like to see what I mean.

It sounds interesting. Yes, by all means send it.

> So, by clicking on each "personality" in turn and downloading/answering
the
> email for each, I deal with ALL my different email accounts in a fairly
short
> time.

That sounds like EXACTLY what I need.

.   ,-./\
.  /     \     from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
.  \_,-*_/     "Queen City of The South"    34:55 S  138:36 E
.       v



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:31:50 +1030
From: "Greg Mayman" <gmone AT tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <200701090101.l0911ow7011716 AT mail9.tpgi.com.au>
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:00:57 +1300, 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:

> Greg Mayman wrote:

>> Where is your site, Sindi?

> You will find a link to Sindi's site at
> the BL3 homepage.  Also links to the sites
> of other users.

I'm getting more than a little irate at people telling me to look
it up for myself, when I can NOT find it there.

Can someone please point out to this idiot which of these are links to
the sites in question?

*BasicLinux Support 
*Add-ons for BL3 
*How to activate SoundBlaster audio in BL3 
*How to replace Xvesa with a standard Xserver 
*How to upgrade BL3 library 
*How to install Opera on BL3 
*BL 3.40 image for QEMU users 
*BasicLinux ChangeLog and kernel config 
*md5sums for downloads 
*Slackware mirrors 
*Miscellaneous BL3 files and information 
*Linux HOWTOs 
*old BL1 site 
*old BL2 site 


.   ,-./\
.  /     \     from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia
.  \_,-*_/     "Queen City of The South"    34:55 S  138:36 E
.       v


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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:02:00 +1000
From: "Ron Clarke" <ariadne AT ausreg.com>
Subject: Re: [BL] Help for a newbie
To: baslinux AT lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <20070109010238.7F3331734C AT stiletto.hotkey.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Folks,

On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:06:05 +1030, Greg Mayman wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:15:50 +1300, 3aoo-cvfd AT dea.spamcon.org wrote:

>> (2) Are you running sylpheed from icewm?

> I really have no idea. What is icewm?

   If you are running the 50 MB fs.img from me, then you are running
icewm in the alternative X-server.  You are not running xvesa.

> All I know is I boot BL, type "startx" at the CLI, then right-click the
> mouse. On the menu that appears. I use the mouse to move the
> cursor over "Applications" and left-click, then move it over
> "Sylpheed" and left-click again, and sylpheed opens.

    That is icewm, a windows manager.   

Regards,
        Ron


Ron Clarke
AUSREG Consultancy      http://www.ausreg.com
Tadpole Tunes           http://www.tadpoletunes.com
-- This mail was written by a user of the Arachne Browser -
http://arachne.cz/


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