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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The Name "Esau"
- Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:32:12 -0400 (EDT)
Isaac Fried: 1. You
wrote: “Rebekah's family spoke some
sort of Hebrew-Aramaic.” If Rebekah’s mother’s native language was “some sort of
Hebrew-Aramaic”, then Rebekah would not have given her firstborn son a name,
($W, that makes no sense on any level in west Semitic. Likewise, if Sarah’s mother’s native language was “some
sort of Hebrew-Aramaic”, then (i) Sarah’s birth name would not be unattested
outside of the Bible as a west Semitic name, while being fully-attested in Late
Bronze Age eastern Syria in a language that is not related to Hebrew or Aramaic,
and (ii) Sarah would not have given her only son a name whose only meaning is
the west Semitic meaning “He Laughs”. Finally, if Abraham’s mother’s native language was “some
sort of Hebrew-Aramaic”, then Abraham’s middle brother would not have a name
[NXWR] whose only meaning is the west Semitic meaning “Snorer”. Not. 2. You
wrote: “Their gods were the gods of
the east, and they named their children after them. All names from that period
are theophoric….” That may be true historically, but it’s not true
Biblically. The most obvious
meaning of the name “Reuben” is “Behold! A son”, with no theophoric element
whatsoever. Yes, Leah cleverly
ad-libs a creative alternate etymology that contains a theophoric, “[the Lord]
hath looked upon my affliction”, but though brilliant, that is terribly
fanciful. Historically, however, the name “Reuben” doesn’t exist in
the ancient world outside of the Bible.
The early Hebrew author of the Patriarchal narratives in fact created
that name, precisely so that it would have the obvious meaning of “Behold! A
son”, while being able to be alternatively viewed as having the fanciful
etymology “[the Lord] hath looked upon my affliction”, which brilliantly and
eternally encapsulates Leah’s great sadness at continuing not to be Jacob’s
favorite wife. The name “Esau” was likewise created by the early Hebrew
author of the Patriarchal narratives.
It is carefully designed so that it will fit perfectly the following
narrow parameters: (i) its meaning
is “red” and dark [like a “hairy” mantle], and (ii) it makes perfect sense in
the native language of a woman like Rebekah from Late Bronze Age eastern
3. You
wrote: “All names from that period
are theophoric, including יצחק IYCXAQ, which I think is a deliberate
corruption of איש-חק I$-XAQ or איש-שחק I$-$AXAQ.” (a) The name
“Isaac” is not corrupt at all. All
the Hebrew letters in the received text are perfect as is. (b) There’s
no )Y$ in the name “Isaac”. (c) You seem
to agree with me that there’s no way that Sarah would give her only son a name
whose only meaning is the west Semitic meaning “He Laughs”. At least we agree about that. (d) If one
is willing to note that Sarah’s birth name, $RY, is attested in Late Bronze Age
eastern Syria in a language not related to Hebrew or Aramaic, while no name of
that kind is ever attested in the ancient world as the west Semitic name of a
human woman, then one will properly deduce that the primary meaning of the name
“Isaac” similarly is coming from that same Late Bronze Age east Syrian language,
and has a wondrously positive, theophoric meaning, without the need to change a
single Hebrew letter in the received text. 3. You
wrote: “I will listen to your ideas
under the condition that you refrain from mentioning any other language but
Hebrew and Aramaic.” But the name “Esau” makes no sense on any level in west
Semitic. Nor was Esau’s mother a
native west Semitic speaker. Nor
was Isaac’s mother. Nor was
Abraham’s mother. Isaac Fried, all of these wonderful women, who indeed are
truly admirable, m-a-r-r-i-e-d into the Hebrews! They weren’t Hebrews at birth, and their
native language was neither Hebrew nor Aramaic nor any other west Semitic
language. Just look at the names
they give to their precious sons, which sometimes make little or no sense in
west Semitic, but which invariably have a profound meaning in the non-west
Semitic language that was dominant in eastern Isaac Fried, the Patriarchal narratives as a written text
are much older, and much more historically accurate, than you and university
scholars are willing to contemplate.
But the only way to prove that is to be willing to a-s-k how Rebekah, a woman from Late Bronze
Age eastern Syria, would have viewed the name she gives to her firstborn
son: ($W. The received text is perfect, as is. All that’s needed is to view the
received text of the Patriarchal narratives from an historical perspective, and
then we’ll see how truly ancient it is as a written text, and also its
absolutely stunning historical accuracy. Jim Stinehart
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[b-hebrew] The Name "Esau",
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