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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: jonathan.mohler AT gmail.com, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:53:04 -0400 (EDT)
Jonathan Mohler: Isaac Fried had written: “Bear in mind that many of the biblical heroines, Rebekah, Rachel, Lea, Ruth, Esther, were just little girls (if I correctly remembers Rashi says Rebekah was 3 years old when she married Isaac, then she was "childless").” Both you and I disagree with seeing Rebekah as being age 3 when she married Isaac. You responded to Isaac Fried’s post and to my post as follows: “With all due respect to a great Rabbi, I think Rashi's math here is about as off as Jim Stinehart's math.” My post laid out objective reasons for implying that Rebekah was age 15 years [in 12-month years] when she married Isaac. My post both set forth mathematical calculations in that regard, and also cited several passages from chapter 24 of Genesis that fit perfectly with the notion that Rebekah was age 15 years. Let me add here that in the ancient world, the normal ages for a female to wed were probably ages 12-15. Yes, there are some marriages attested at younger ages, but ages 12-15 would probably be the normal range [although the data is surprisingly sparse regarding these matters]. It’s clear from chapter 24 of Genesis that Rebekah is an “adult”, not a mere “child”, based on Rebekah’s actions and on the way that Rebekah’s family treats her, even deferring to Rebekah’s own judgment! So why do you say that “Rashi's math here is about as off as Jim Stinehart's math”? Could you specify what is “off” about my math?
I am guessing, without knowing, that you may think that the idea of shanah having an archaic meaning of “the turn of the year”, being a six-month concept, is not reasonable as my hypothesis as to how each person’s stated age is set forth in the Patriarchal narratives. Assuming that your reluctance to consider that shanah may have had an archaic meaning of a 6-month period is your main basis for claiming that my math is “off”, let me set forth here some of the relevant passages from the leading scholarly treatment of this subject, Mark E. Cohen, “The Cultic Calendars of the Ancient Near East” (1993): p. 6: “In
addition to the seasonal cycle and the lunar cycle, the Mesopotamians were
affected by a third cycle -- the cycle between the equinoxes, a period when the
sun and the moon vied with each other for time in the sky. The ancient Hebrews recognized the
significance of this cycle, referring to the equinoxes, the times when the year
turns, as teqūfat haššānā (Exodus
34:22): ‘You shall observe the
Feast of Weeks, of the first fruits of the wheat harvest; and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn
of the year’ (the autumnal equinox) and as tešūbat haššānā (2 Samuel 11:1):
‘At the turn of the year, the season when kings go out {to battle}’, (probably
referring to the vernal equinox).
The Israelite incorporation of this six-month ‘year’ into its ritual can
further be detected in the duration and timing of the festival of the first
month, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the festival of the seventh month, the
Feast of Ingathering. {footnote
4. This six month year concept in
ancient “This concept of a six-month equinox year appears to have
been a major factor in the establishment of the cultic calendar throughout the
“Sumerian mu-an-na, a term which was eventually used synonymously with mu ‘year’, originally may have connoted this six-month period, as echoed in the first-millennium B.C. observation: itiŠE itiKIN SAG MU.AN.NA ki-i ša itiBAR itiDU6 “(this year) the months Addaru {= Feb./Mar.} and Ulūlu {Aug./Sep.] begin the MU.AN.NA year, what the months Nisannu {=Mar./Apr.} and Tašrītu {=Sep./Oct.} (normally) do.’ {footnote 1. RMA 16:5 (Parpola, AOAT 5/2, 187). For a brief discussion of the term mu-an-na, see B. Landsberger, JNES 8 (1949), 254-255 note 33, wherein Landsberger cites various theories as to the meaning of the term, although he does mention the possible interpretation we have put forth. Note the Emar version of the composition Enlil and Namzitarra….‘Day to day they verily decrease, month after month they verily decrease, year after year they verily decrease!’ Perhaps, then, -an-na in the term mu-an-na, connotes the alternating year pattern of equinox cycles (‘one after the other’). …} “This concept of two six-month periods defined by the equinoxes was further ingrained in the Mesopotamian psyche by the natural weather pattern of the seasonal year. The Babylonians divided the seasonal year into two periods, each beginning in the month of an equinox. The summer (EMEŠ/um mātum), the hot season (umšum), or the harvest season (ebūrum) began around March; the winter (ENTEN) or the cold season (kuşşum) began around September. …” Jim Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband,
Jonathan Mohler, 07/22/2013
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband, Jonathan Mohler, 07/22/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband, Jonathan Mohler, 07/22/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband,
JimStinehart, 07/22/2013
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[b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 "too old for a husband", cultic calendar, shanah,
Will Parsons, 07/22/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 "too old for a husband", cultic calendar, shanah,
jimstinehart, 07/22/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
Chris Watts, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
jimstinehart, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
Yigal Levin, 07/23/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah, Chris Watts, 07/23/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah, Chris Watts, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
Yigal Levin, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
jimstinehart, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] , cultic calendar, shanah,
Chris Watts, 07/23/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 "too old for a husband", cultic calendar, shanah,
jimstinehart, 07/22/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband, Jonathan Mohler, 07/23/2013
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[b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 "too old for a husband", cultic calendar, shanah,
Will Parsons, 07/22/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ruth 1:12 too old for a husband, JimStinehart, 07/23/2013
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