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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: dekruidnootjes AT eircom.net
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org, George.Athas AT moore.edu.au
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis
- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:03:58 -0400 (EDT)
Chris Watts: You wrote:
“If someone might care to explain in laymans language please then I
The main issue is the critical question of how old the
Patriarchal narratives are as a
w-r-i-t-t-e-n text. Scholars say that even if parts of the
Patriarchal narratives may be truly ancient as an oral tradition, nevertheless
the Patriarchal narratives could not possibly have been committed to writing
prior to the 1st millennium BCE, because alphabetical Hebrew writing
was not advanced enough prior to that time to handle a sophisticated composition
like the Patriarchal narratives.
The answer to that is that the Patriarchal narratives were reduced to
writing in the mid-14th century BCE by a scribe in south-central
On that theory of the case, we would then expect letter-for-letter accuracy in the spelling of both Biblical Hurrian names and Biblical Egyptian names, except that we would also expect “confusion of gutturals and certain sibilants”, since cuneiform was generally unable to differentiate one guttural from another, and also did not always differentiate between certain sibilants. As to Hurrian names, cuneiform heth/X could alternatively stand for any of the following three Hebrew alphabetical letters: heth/X or he/H or ayin/(. So what’s written as a Hebrew he/H in the name YHWDYT/“Judith” at Genesis 26: 34 may have originally been intended to be a Hebrew heth/X. The root of this name then is not the inexplicable HWD, but rather was intended to be XWD, which is basically the same name as the attested Hurrian woman’s name Xu-ú-te at Nuzi. [As to T vs. D, they are effectively interchangeable in these Hurrian names, as Xu-ti is alternatively rendered as Xu-di. See p. 64 of Gelb and Purves, “Nuzi Personal Names”.] It’s very important whether the name of Esau’s first XTY
wife is or is not a letter-for-letter accurate spelling of a slight variant of a
Late Bronze Age Hurrian name attested at Nuzi. If so, then that’s fully consistent with
the Patriarchal narratives being a written cuneiform text as of the
mid-14th century BCE, which 700 years later was transformed into
alphabetical Biblical Hebrew in late 7th century BCE Jerusalem. But if not, then we’re stuck with the
conventional very late dating of the Patriarchal narratives, at least as a
written text, and perhaps as to its composition as well, per George Athas’s
remark: “Maybe we just have a text
written in a time when there was a So you see how much is riding on this. If Esau is portrayed as marrying a
Hittite who was a lifelong resident of Canaan [per Genesis 27: 46, with there
being no Hittites who were lifelong residents of Historically, the concept of Esau marrying Hurrian women
who are lifelong residents of Canaan, and of Abraham buying Sarah’s gravesite
from a Hurrian landowner in south-central Canaan, makes sense in only o-n-e historical time period: the mid-14th century
BCE. That’s the only time when
Hurrian charioteers dominated the ruling class of Canaan, and importantly that’s
also the only time when cuneiform literacy is well-documented in south-central
So in fact it makes a huge difference whether the first
seven XTY names in the Patriarchal narratives all are letter-for-letter accurate
renderings of attested Hurrian names [or of slight variants of attested Hurrian
names] from the Late Bronze Age Hurrian Jim Stinehart |
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[b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
JimStinehart, 07/18/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, George Athas, 07/18/2013
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
JimStinehart, 07/18/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, Barry H., 07/18/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, George Athas, 07/18/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
JimStinehart, 07/19/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, Chris Watts, 07/19/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
JimStinehart, 07/19/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
Chris Watts, 07/19/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
K Randolph, 07/20/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, Dave Washburn, 07/20/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
jimstinehart, 07/21/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
Chris Watts, 07/21/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, Yigal Levin, 07/21/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
jimstinehart, 07/21/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, George Athas, 07/21/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
Chris Watts, 07/21/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
K Randolph, 07/20/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis,
Chris Watts, 07/19/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Xireq Compaginis, JimStinehart, 07/19/2013
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