Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Rolf" <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>]

Dear Barry,

I have one question to you. See below. 
 
 
Onsdag 19. Juni 2013 13:51 CEST skrev Barry <nebarry AT verizon.net>: 
 
> On 6/19/2013 1:31 AM, Jonathan Mohler wrote:
> 
> This seems rather far afield from Biblical Hebrew, but oh well...
> 
>  > What Rolf is suggesting is not speculation, it is inference.  Neither is
>  > it circular reasoning.  The fact that the NT mss have KS is a bonafide
>  > conundrum.  At least as it concerns the Gospel of Matthew, and at the
>  > very least the sayings of Jesus.  If there is one clear aspect of Jesus'
>  > teaching is that he intentionally exposed man-made traditions which were
>  > in direct violation of the Torah.  He taught his disciples to disregard
>  > them at every turn in full view of the Pharisees.  (For the moderators'
>  > sake: I am not making a faith statement just an argument from what is
>  > commonly accepted and unambiguous).  These "traditions of the fathers"
>  > as they were so-called were /*well-intentioned*/.  No one doubts that
>  > the Rabbis had the welfare of the people in mind, but their effect was
>  > to destroy the original intent of the Torah.  This was the central
>  > teaching of Jesus against these teachers.  In this light, one can't help
>  > but ask whether the tradition of concealing the name of God doesn't fall
>  > under "traditions of the fathers" that supplant the law of God, and if so
> 
> I'm sorry, but it's not a conundrum at all, and your rabbit trail on 
> Jesus' teaching on tradition does nothing to explain the habits of 
> scribes. You'll note that it's not just KURIOS which lends itself to a 
> nomen sacrum. It's not an attempt to conceal the divine name, but an 
> abbreviation which is explainable on other grounds -- see Hurtado and 
> Comfort, much of whom Steven Avery has handily quoted in another post.
> 
> 
>  > This part of the argument baffles me.  The fact that the extant NT mss
>  > all have KS says nothing about the first century.  They just speak to
>  > the fact that in the second century Scribes put KS for God's name.
>  >   That's all.  There is no more evidence in these mss for KYRIOS than
>  > for YHWH or IAO.  And it doesn't matter if there is one MS or 5000 MSS.
>  >   Until we find MSS from the first century with KYRIOS, we cannot speak
>  > of the newer documents as evidence.  The scant evidence (OT Greek mss
>  > BCE) that Rolf has presented speaks more to the issue than the silence
>  > of the first century autographs.  The argument may be weak, but as an
>  > inductive argument, it is cogent.
> 
> Again, a nomen sacrum is a form of abbreviation. If KS or the equivalent 
> is used (the second letter varies according to the case of the word), 
> then it is a logical and far easier explanation that the exemplar the 
> copyist used had either KS or KURIOS.

QUESTION: Is KS in the second century CE LXX manuscripts an abbreviation? If 
so, an abbreviation of what?



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Rolf Furuli
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