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- From: "Rev. Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>
- To: "Ruth Mathys" <ruth_mathys AT sil.org>, "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?
- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:22:13 -0700
Dear Ruth,
[Ruth]
'Imperative' is the label given to
the verb form but there is a wide range
of meanings that could be 'actioned' by that form (and this differs from
language to language, of course). In BH it's fine to ask God to do
something by using an imperative, isn't it? I think the English imperative
is a very strong form -- I use it on my children but not my husband! In my
English at least, it's really important for politeness to ask indirectly
("When you have a moment, would you be able to...?) But that's not true of
every language or culture. I remember being quite taken aback at first in
a cross-cultural situation when my peers used unvarnished imperatives on me
all the time. But it's just how you do it in that language.
(Even in English, not every imperative form is a true command. Think of
expressions like "Get a life!" or "Hold me back!")
of meanings that could be 'actioned' by that form (and this differs from
language to language, of course). In BH it's fine to ask God to do
something by using an imperative, isn't it? I think the English imperative
is a very strong form -- I use it on my children but not my husband! In my
English at least, it's really important for politeness to ask indirectly
("When you have a moment, would you be able to...?) But that's not true of
every language or culture. I remember being quite taken aback at first in
a cross-cultural situation when my peers used unvarnished imperatives on me
all the time. But it's just how you do it in that language.
(Even in English, not every imperative form is a true command. Think of
expressions like "Get a life!" or "Hold me back!")
[Bryant]
The problem as I see it is that BH
versus Indo-European and the corresponding cultures.
Most of the cultures are
patriarchal, while there are still strains of that in Western world, e.g.
Britain and USA; even then there are still patriarchal areas.
If you look back at the cultures
where they use "unvarnished imperatives," then you would probably see that their
culture would reflect the hierarchy of unequality between male and female rather
intentional or not.
Numbers 16.
Now, in this instance, Moses is
confronted by Korah: Korah, Dathan and Abiram, Levites and Reubenites
(interesting how the descendants of the firstborn Reuben are rearing their head
over leadership; and the potential civil war over leadership by the
Levites) over rulership and authority over the nation of Israel; 250
well-known men of the leaders of Israel. Moses and Aaron were challenged.
The response of Moses is to fall down (worship, intercede, ?). He then issues
several commands (imperatives) beginning in 16:5ff. Each time there is an
indictment/charge, followed by a command. It is like a legal preceding is being
used to set up the defendants, Korah, Dathan and Abiram and followers. I think
what is given is mishpat. The latter part of the chapter indicates that that is
what happened.
Rev. Bryant J. Williams
III
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[b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/01/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Jerry Shepherd, 06/02/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Jerry Shepherd, 06/07/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/12/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Ruth Mathys, 06/12/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, 06/12/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Rolf, 06/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, 06/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, Rolf, 06/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, K Randolph, 06/13/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Ruth Mathys, 06/12/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Jerry Shepherd, 06/12/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, Jerry Shepherd, 06/13/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, K Randolph, 06/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?, Jerry Shepherd, 06/14/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/13/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/12/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Jerry Shepherd, 06/07/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
K Randolph, 06/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Would you give a command?,
Jerry Shepherd, 06/02/2013
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