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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan
- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan
- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:44:29 -0500 (EST)
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III: 1. I agree with your synopsis of Numbers 21. 2. You then wrote: “Balak in Numbers 22-25 tries to curse the Israelites through Balaam, but that did not work. You will notice that Balak had Moabite and Midian elders try to purchase Balaam to curse the Israelites.” Certainly you would agree that Balaam himself is from
eastern At Numbers 31: 8, Balaam is connected with “five kings of MDYN”, who appear to be 5 princelings in the former state of Mitanni in eastern Syria, not long after the central state apparatus of Mitanni had effectively disappeared in the mid-13th century BCE. As to their names, in addition to CWR [discussed in #3 below], the most obvious name from Mitanni is XWR, which is the attested name Xu-ú-ra at Mitanni; that name recalls the Hurrians of Mitanni based on the sound. In connection with the names analyzed at #3 below, it’s
very clear that various persons from 3. You
wrote: “This gives even more
credence to the story that Midian is near the Actually, Numbers 25 reports the killing of only one
person from MDYN: Cosbi/KZBY,
daughter to Zur/CWR. Numbers 25:
15. The name CWR of a man from
MDYN/Mitanni is redolent of $u-ú-ri, an attested name at As to the woman’s name KZBY, note the following attested
woman’s name at 4. You
wrote: “It does not make any sense
for the Israelites to travel over 300 + miles to destroy the inhabitants of
I don’t know if I’m quite following you there. The Israelites never went to
Mitanni/MDYN, that’s for sure. The
farthest northeast the Israelites ever got with Moses was the “desert”/XRB
mountain Jabal al-Druze, near the city of I certainly agree with you that the Israelites then
massed for the Conquest at * * * Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, I think we’re agreeing on
most aspects of what is said in the Bible in these various connections. The one place where you and I disagree
is whether MDYN is way down south in Arabia near Aqaba [the traditional view,
but no name MDYN is attested there, and Zipporah of MDYN sure as heck doesn’t
act like an Arabian woman, being w-a-y too assertive and aggressive, while
initially opposing circumcision, so that Zipporah acts e-x-a-c-t-l-y as would be expected of a woman from
Mitanni], or whether MDYN instead is historical Mitanni in Late Bronze Age
eastern Syria. If it helps clarify
my position, the Israelites under Moses’ command never got farther north than
the northern Balaam is definitely from eastern If I’m somehow missing the gist of what you’re saying [since I think I agree with most of your analysis, except the identity of MDYN], please clarify what you’re asserting and then we’ll take a closer look at it, based on the Biblical texts. We all learn in these exchanges of different points of view, especially if we keep citing and analyzing relevant Bible verses. Jim Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
Chavoux Luyt, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
Chavoux Luyt, 01/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan, Yigal Levin, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
JimStinehart, 01/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan, Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
JimStinehart, 01/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan, Will Parsons, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
JimStinehart, 01/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan, Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, 01/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan, JimStinehart, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan,
JimStinehart, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan - END OF THREAD,
George Athas, 01/18/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan - END OF THREAD, Norman Cohn, 01/18/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew Grammar and Moses? Attack on King Og of Bashan - END OF THREAD,
George Athas, 01/18/2013
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