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- From: Jonathan Mohler <jonathan.mohler AT gmail.com>
- To: if AT math.bu.edu
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question
- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:04:43 -0600
Isaac: You wrote: 2. I am sorry, but I would not outguess the NAQDANIYM. you need to elaborate on this. 3. In my opinion, and experience, there is no such thing in Hebrew as a schwa mobile. I am simply describing what is happening at the abstract layer of language. I don't see this "mobile schwa" comment as relative. The shortening of long vowel sounds to short vowel sounds and even shewas is no different than what happens in English. The only thing that confuses people is that they misinterpret what the vowel pointing system really is. In a modern writing system that includes consonants and vowels, most shewas would not be included in the alphabet, nor would say the qamets-chatuf, as these would be considered by linguists as "allophones" not "phonemes." The qamets, the pathaq, the qamets-chatuf, and the chateph-pathaq would all be represented by one signifier, the "a," because a native speaker would not recognize them as separate vowels, just slight variations of the same vowel. This is what linguists call sounds (phones) that are in "complementary distribution." 4. It is true that stress and theatrics may be achieved by elongation. Stress has nothing to do with theatrics. I am simply talking Linguistics 101. Stress is a product of a native speakers unconscious instinct to formulate words according to discoverable deep structure rules. The Masoretes came up with a system that would preserve what they heard as native speakers. We try to build a "formal" grammar around these signifiers, but they don't represent a "formal" phenomenon, they represent a "deep structure" principle in that particular idiom (the Tiberian tradition). Jonathan E Mohler |
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[b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Isaac Fried, 01/07/2013
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question, Isaac Fried, 01/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Pere Porta, 01/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question, Isaac Fried, 01/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Isaac Fried, 01/07/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Jonathan Mohler, 01/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question, Isaac Fried, 01/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Will Parsons, 01/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Jonathan Mohler, 01/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
K Randolph, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Isaac Fried, 01/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question, K Randolph, 01/17/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Isaac Fried, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Will Parsons, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
ISAAC FRIED, 01/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question, Will Parsons, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
ISAAC FRIED, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
K Randolph, 01/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Vowel Shortening Question,
Jonathan Mohler, 01/15/2013
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