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  • From: Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
  • To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
  • Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Fw: Song of Songs 1:3 TWRQ
  • Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:43:31 +0100

Karl,
 
at writing "TW + two root consonants" I mean TW read as in English 'too' or 'tool', not as in the English 'top', 'topic', 'tonic'.
There is a big difference between them.
At giving my answer I intended to mean "TW", not "TO".
 
Friendly,
 
Pere Porta
(Barcelona)

2012/12/11 K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
Pere:

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:
From the viewpoint of form, there is a verbal form, not a noun.
In my list of about 9,000 patterns, I found none that being the sum of prefix TW- + two root consonants is a noun. And I say this of both prefixes TW- and T + qubbuts.
This said, this pattern TW + two root consonants can be:
 
1. From verbs p"y, as Karl suggests  ------  see Gn 15:15; Am 7:10; Ps 45:15

As a verbal form, can be either niphal or hophal.
 
2. From verbs ayin"waw (or ayin"yod), as lexicons say of twraq in Song 1:3 -------- see 2K 11:15

As a verb, from hophal.
 
3. From verbs ayin"ayin (doubled), as David Kolinsky suggests -------- I found no sample in the Tanakh.

Isaiah 33:1 $DD 
 
Then, the context and the sense must decide which is the precise root TWRQ comes from.
Song 1:3 seems to be a rare construction: shemen twraq shimkha... 
But, Karl, this is certainly not a noun. If the pattern [TW + 2 root consonants] exists in Hebrew as a noun pattern... I surely would have found it.

Let’s look in TWGH from YGH, TWDH from YDH, TWRH from YRH, TW$B from Y$B found in Genesis 23:4, Exodus 12:45, Leviticus 22:10 and at least nine other verses, so you should have found it.
 
Friendly,
 
Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)=

So my question remains, is this a noun from YRQ?

Karl W. Randolph.



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Pere Porta




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