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- From: Jerry Shepherd <jshepherd53 AT gmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense"
- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:15:44 -0700
Hi Barry,
My apologies about not replying to this query earlier -- lots of papers and exams to mark, amid other responsibilities. But, in any case, here goes.
(1) I am in basic agreement with you, and it seems most of the other respondents, that there is no prophetic past tense, per se, in Hebrew.
(2) The idea of the prophetic past tense probably arises from the desire to make passages like Isaiah 53 pertain only to a future figure, rather than being about a more immediate personage in the author's own time and context.
(3) Having said that, I am, however, not convinced that the Hebrew verbal system is tenseless. To be sure, context is the real determining factor, but it seems to me that it can be appropriately stated that there is at least a general tendency to use particular verb forms to describe past situations, others to describe present situations, and others to describe future situations. Wayyiqtol is overwhelmingly past tense. Qatal is primarily past and present. Yiqtol is primarily present and future. Qotel, when used as the main verb, is primarily present and future. For these last two, I'd be hard pressed to say whether present or future is more predominant. No one ever sits down and designs a spoken language, and I am not arguing that these verb forms were actually marked for tense. However, usage over time tends to fall into patterns, and I would argue these patterns of usage developed over time.
(4) If, as seems reasonable, the Hebrew verbal system is best understood as being aspectual, we can still see how certain aspects would lend themselves to certain tenses. So the perfect, understood as "action seen as a complete whole," lends itself to describing past actions. So, perhaps it is possible for a prophet, when describing a future situation, to use a perfect form of the verb, and the use of that form would have been a bit jarring to the hearers or readers. I wouldn't refer to this a prophetic past tense; but the use of the perfect could have a "certainty" or "wholeness" quality to it that would not be so easily conveyed by imperfect or participle. Others may tell you I'm out to lunch on this one; and that may be the case.
I, too, would be interested in seeing Rolf's comments.
Blessings,
Jerry
Jerry Shepherd
Taylor Seminary
Edmonton, Alberta
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[b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Barry, 12/01/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
K Randolph, 12/01/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Barry H., 12/01/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Jerry Shepherd, 12/05/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Rolf, 12/05/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", Barry, 12/05/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", Jerry Shepherd, 12/06/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
K Randolph, 12/05/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", Jerry Shepherd, 12/06/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Isaac Fried, 12/05/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", Jerry Shepherd, 12/06/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Isaac Fried, 12/06/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", Isaac Fried, 12/06/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Rolf, 12/05/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Jerry Shepherd, 12/05/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
Barry H., 12/01/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense", George Athas, 12/02/2012
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Re: [b-hebrew] Alleged "prophetic tense",
K Randolph, 12/01/2012
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