b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Biblical Hebrew Forum
List archive
- From: Will Parsons <wbparsons AT alum.mit.edu>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] third person
- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:25:34 -0500 (EST)
Hi Nir,
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:33:10 -0300, "Nir cohen - Prof. Mat."
<nir AT ccet.ufrn.br> wrote:
> isaac,
>
> ET in hebrew is a preposition (similar to MIN, EL, (AL, LIFNEY etc)
> and a marker for direct object, and as such it is not specified for
> gender or number. it is the same ET for everybody.
>
> now, AT, ATAH, HEM etc is a personal pronoun, and is specified for
> both gender and number.
>
> i think you confuse the two. now, i admit that it is logical to see
> the pronoun as linguistically derived from the preposition
> (precisely by gender and number speciation). thiere is room for much
> speculation here.
>
> probably, H* was used as the primordial semitic 2nd and 3rd pronoun,
> from which we still have in hebrew HU, HI, HEM, HEN.
It's not universal in Semitic - e.g., Akkadian has forms for the 3rd
personal pronouns beginning with <sh-> rather than <h->.
> the question of ATAH, AT, ATEM, ATEN is less understood. one would
> like to conjecture a dative origin (thus, ATAH is ET-H*) for them,
> which became nominal later; but then there is the problem of the
> truly hebrew dative forms (OTKhA, OTAKh etc). here, the situation
> is less clear.
I don't think it's tenable to derive (e.g.) אתה (/'atta:/) from את + הו
(/'e:t/ + /hu:/). The pronoun /atta:/ corresponds to forms in other
Semitic languages that have an internal /nt/, such as the Arabic form
ﺍﻧﺖ (/'anta/), whereas forms such as אתי (/'o:ti:/) pretty much exclude
the possibility of the preposition /'e:t/ having an original /nt/. (We
would expect to see a form with a daghesh in the taw if that were so.)
--
Will Parsons
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth
, (continued)
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/04/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Isaac Fried, 11/05/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/05/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth, Isaac Fried, 11/05/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] third person,
Isaac Fried, 11/08/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/09/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person, Isaac Fried, 11/13/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/14/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person as copulative, Michael Abernathy, 11/14/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person as copulative, Isaac Fried, 11/14/2012
- Re: [b-hebrew] third person, Will Parsons, 11/14/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/05/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Isaac Fried, 11/05/2012
-
Re: [b-hebrew] takliyth,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 11/04/2012
Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.