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[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

-  Both.  It is the 'extended' imperfect ( 'moorakh'). Compare with the 
second verb in the same verse "nashuvah". Note, the 'He' in Mitzraymah  is 
locative.  Uri Hurwitz                                           Great Neck  
NY   -- On Tue, 12/6/11, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:
Yes.
Now, what do you think about the first "n" in "nitnah" (Num 14:4): 
 
--is it a prefix (for "anu")
--or is it the root letter "n" of "natan"? 
 
Regards
 
Pere Porta


2011/12/6 Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>


It is an example of two different words of the same root and the same "vowel 
sequence". 



Isaac Fried, Boston University





On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Pere Porta wrote:


Isaac,
What do you exactly mean by this remark of yours?
 
Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)


2011/12/5 Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>




Remark that NITNAH נִתְּנָה of Nu 14:4 contains the same "vowel sequence" 
(dagesh and all) as NITNAH of Gen.38:14.


Isaac Fried, Boston University





 Remark, Noam,  that the vowel sequence of this word "heyu" in Num 16:16 is
the same as that of verb (enu, answer (you, males)! found in Num 21:17.
Also remark that the usual vowel pattern for the Imperative of this kind of
verbs (called lamed-yod) is with hatef-patah in the first root consonant:
see in Jdg 9:15; Js 10:4; Zc 7:9...) and not with hatef-segol as in Num
16:16.


Regards,


Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)








Fact: Num 16.16 heyu היו 'be ye' is not the qatal.
the qatal would have been heyiytem 'you were' הייתם.


I'm sorry, I'm missing somethimg - it seems to me both היו and הייתם are
qatal. What is היו if not qatal?


Noam Eitan,
Brooklyn, NY




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If the initial "n" is the first root letter "n" of "natan"...  don't we
have here a piel-shaped verb form (nit:nah) rather than a qal-shaped one?

For comparison, "dib:rah" (Jb 33:2), she spoke, or "shilhah" (Pr 31:19),
she sent away...

Pere Porta

2011/12/6 Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>

>
>
> -
>   Both.
>
>  It is the 'extended' imperfect ( 'moorakh'). Compare with the
>  second verb in the same verse "nashuvah". Note, the 'He' in
>  Mitzraymah  is locative.
>
>  Uri Hurwitz                                           Great Neck  NY
>
>
>
>  -- On *Tue, 12/6/11, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>  Yes.
> Now, what do you think about the first "n" in "nitnah" (Num 14:4):
>
> --is it a prefix (for "anu")
> --or is it the root letter "n" of "natan"?
>
> Regards
>
> Pere Porta
>
> 2011/12/6 Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu<http://mc/compose?to=if AT math.bu.edu>
> >
>
> It is an example of two different words of the same root and the same "vowel
> sequence".
>
>  Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>
>   On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Pere Porta wrote:
>
>  Isaac,
> What do you exactly mean by this remark of yours?
>
> Pere Porta
> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)
>
> 2011/12/5 Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu<http://mc/compose?to=if AT math.bu.edu>
> >
>
>  Remark that NITNAH נִתְּנָה of Nu 14:4 contains the same "vowel
> sequence" (dagesh and all) as NITNAH of Gen.38:14.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>   Remark, Noam,  that the vowel sequence of this word "heyu" in Num 16:16
> is
> the same as that of verb (enu, answer (you, males)! found in Num 21:17.
> Also remark that the usual vowel pattern for the Imperative of this kind of
> verbs (called lamed-yod) is with hatef-patah in the first root consonant:
> see in Jdg 9:15; Js 10:4; Zc 7:9...) and not with hatef-segol as in Num
> 16:16.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pere Porta
> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)
>
>
>
>  Fact: Num 16.16 heyu היו 'be ye' is not the qatal.
> the qatal would have been heyiytem 'you were' הייתם.
>
>
> I'm sorry, I'm missing somethimg - it seems to me both היו and הייתם are
> qatal. What is היו if not qatal?
>
> Noam Eitan,
> Brooklyn, NY
>
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