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- From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- To: Chavoux Luyt <chavoux AT gmail.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew
- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:27:43 -0800
Chavoux:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Chavoux Luyt <chavoux AT gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Karl
>
> You wrote:
>
> …
>
> > We find the statement in Nehemiah 13:24 that the mixed marriages resulted
> > in children who did not understand Hebrew. That would not have been
> > necessary if this had been a Hebrew speaking milieu—even if the children
> > spoke the other languages at home, they would pick up Hebrew at a young
> age
> > from the street. But this does become an issue in an Aramaic speaking
> > milieu where the women from mixed marriages taught their children their
> > native tongues at home, possibly as a second language, where speaking
> > Hebrew was something to be taught as a second language, necessary because
> > of its religious and civic uses (similar to medieval Latin).
> I must say that I doubt it that a language (and its pronunciation)
> could disappear in a single generation.
The Babylonian Exile itself lasted over two generations, and the events
listed in both Nehemiah and Ezra were a few generations after that. I think
Nehemiah opens in 417 BC and Ezra slightly after that.
Those who have worked with immigrants and their children find that the
children generally have but a smattering of their parents’ languages, the
grandchildren almost none, unless the language is systematically taught as
a second language. In the latter case, the children’s primary language that
they speak in their everyday usage is the language of their milieu, their
ancestors’ language the second language.
> Yes some of the mixed children
> could not understand Hebrew. But there certainly must have been enough
> native speakers of Hebrew to keep the language alive (there were still
> some old men alive who remembered the first temple!), especially in
> Israel itself among the returnees.
See above.
> …
>
> Shalom
> Chavoux Luyt
>
Karl W. Randolph.
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[b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
David Steinberg, 11/22/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/22/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Dewayne Dulaney, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/23/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew, Petr Tomasek, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Dewayne Dulaney, 11/23/2011
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Chavoux Luyt, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Kevin Riley, 11/23/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew, K Randolph, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Kevin Riley, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
Chavoux Luyt, 11/24/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew, Dave Washburn, 11/24/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew, K Randolph, 11/25/2011
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[b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew,
Randall Buth, 11/25/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/25/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew,
Randall Buth, 11/27/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew, K Randolph, 11/27/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew,
Randall Buth, 11/27/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/25/2011
- [b-hebrew] mishnaic hebrew, Randall Buth, 11/27/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] Mishnaic Hebrew,
K Randolph, 11/22/2011
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