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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
- To: Will Parsons <wbparsons AT alum.mit.edu>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah
- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:27:32 -0400
I am not sure why there is a double n in Phennana, the same way I am not sure why there is a double m and a double t and a double e in the English word committee, yet only one m in coming.
It is hard to believe, yet the LXX may have confused the look-alike Hebrew letters H and X, as well as R and D (is there any work on the rendering of the Hebrew names by the LXX?). For PIYNXAS of Num. 25:7 they have the curious Φινεες, yet Gen. 11 they "correctly" render NAXOR as Ναχωρ, but ,then, TERAX is suddenly made into Θαρα. Did they see the last X of TERAX as a silent H? The name IRAD עירד of Gen. 4:18 is made into Γαιδαδ.
To return to Phennana, the MT has it as PNINAH with a dagesh in the second N as is customary after a xirik sans yod. I notice with interest that they read the first letter of this name as a "soft" F and not as the "hard" P of today. The second N of PNINAH has a dagesh 'forte' and yet this N is not "geminated". On the other hand they render the city name AKO (with a dagesh in the K as customary after a patax) of Jud. 1:31 as Ακχω.
It is all, unfortunately, very bewildering. I tend to think that the LXX are mostly wrong, and the MT right; Αρμαϑαιμ and Σιϕα just don't sound right to me (as well as the funny Phennana).
Yes, indeed, the Editors of the Oxford Hebrew-English dictionary have removed all dgeshim, except in B K P, and also all the unnecessary schwas. I love it.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Will Parsons wrote:
I don't have a copy of the Oxford English-Hebrew dictionary; does it really
remove all dgeshim or just those where it doesn't make a difference to the
modern pronunciation?
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[b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 04/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Isaac Fried, 04/23/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
James Spinti, 04/25/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew, Isaac Fried, 04/26/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
James Spinti, 04/25/2011
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[b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Randall Buth, 04/24/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Isaac Fried, 04/24/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew, Randall Buth, 04/24/2011
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[b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah [was: dagesh in hebrew],
Will Parsons, 04/27/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah,
Will Parsons, 04/28/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah,
Isaac Fried, 04/28/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah, Will Parsons, 04/29/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah, Isaac Fried, 04/30/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah,
Isaac Fried, 04/28/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah,
Will Parsons, 04/28/2011
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- Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh, gemination, Hannah, Will Parsons, 04/28/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Isaac Fried, 04/24/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] dagesh in hebrew,
Isaac Fried, 04/23/2011
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