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  • From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [b-hebrew] Fw: Re: Hireq & sere
  • Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT)

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:


< I think that what you mean by "hearing" the dagesh is
the faint natural doubling of any consonant,>..
 
     Yes, precisely; thus you anwered your own previous
challanges about the presenence of the Dagesh in the spoken
language. It is not prevalent, but it can be heard, as in
the example I offered.

< The dagesh in HIZMANU, 'we invited, we ordered', follows
a patax, and is there as expected >

   The Dagesh in this case is caused by assimilation
of two consonants into one. In this case they are:
1. the final Nun of, the  root (Z M N),
and 2. the Nun of the the verbal suffix in perf. pl. -...nu .
   Identical roots this respect are LUN, LYN, Y$N etc.

   When letters are were assimilated or dropped, they were
often compensated by emphasizing, or doubling the following
consonant. For example: the many verbs with N as an initial
consonant of the root in Qal, Imperf.


      Uri Hurwitz                            Great Neck, NY                   
     




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 here N, situated between two vowels, here A and U. One hears it in AB-BIY,
'my father', AX-XIY, 'my brother', etc. Those who say they don't hear it need
to pay closer attention.


Isaac Fried, Boston University




On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:






 
    Just say in Heb. "we invited" and, for comparison, "they invited".
 You'll hear the dagesh allright in the first.
 
    Uri Hurwitz                                                      Great
Neck, NY
 
   

--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:



Really, how can a dagesh be "pronounced"?


Isaac Fried, Boston University



On Apr 13, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:


the Dagesh in the sceond consonant is not pronounced











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