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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba
- Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:03:15 -0500
Dear George Athas and Yigal Levin:
Now that the two of you as moderators have opened and dedicated a thread to
making humorous remarks about my ideas in general and my view of Beersheba in
particular, I wonder if you might do me the courtesy of responding on the
merits to the following five arguments I have made that chapters 21 and 26 of
Genesis are referring to Beersheba of Galilee, not the more famous Beersheba
in the Negev.
1. In chapter 26 of Genesis, Isaac is portrayed as digging a series of four
wells, spaced about a day’s journey or so apart, ending with Beersheba. That
does not make sense near the Beersheba in the Negev Desert, which is famous
precisely because of the great paucity of other wells in the vicinity:
“Brigadier-General William Bartholomew…pointed out in June 1917: ‘there is
apparently no water fit for the troops to drink on any part of the enemy’s
present line between Gaza and Beersheba, except [the many wells at Beersheba
itself]’.” Brian Holden Reid, “Military Power” (1997), at p. 64. By sharp
contrast, a whole series of wells makes complete sense in west-central Upper
Galilee: “To the rain and mists that fall on the Lebanons above are due
Galilee's abundant water supply in rivers, wells, springs, and fountains, and
her great fruitfulness. Galilee is the garden of Palestine.” Martha
Tarbell, “Geographical Pamphlet: Palestine in the Time of Christ” (1907), at
p. 16. If that comment is too old and lyrical for your taste, then consider
modern hard science. In view of my contention that the series of four wells
referred to at Genesis 26: 17-23, 32-33, each spaced about a day’s walk or so
from the next, is in northwest Galilee, note the following very pertinent
comment from the Negev Dept. of Geological & Environmental Sciences, in
“Geological Framework of the Levant” (2005): “The formation is continuous
over most of the central and western Galilee, except for several wells in the
north-western Galilee….” So we see that, just as the Bible accurately tells
us, a series of wells, and northwestern Galilee, are a match made in heaven.
2. In digging this series of wells, only as to the last one, Beersheba, is
Isaac said to go “up”. Genesis 26: 23. That makes perfect sense as to
Beersheba of Galilee, which is in the foothills of the mountains of Galilee.
Starting from Sur/Tyre on the coast, and proceeding southeast, the first
place to which one would go “up” is precisely Beersheba of Galilee. By
contrast, Beersheba of the Negev is located at the bottom of a basin. In
digging a series of (non-existent) wells in that area, there is no way that
as to the last well, and only the last well, one would go “up” to Beersheba
in the Negev.
3. Beersheba is mentioned before and after the Wilderness of Paran in
chapter 21 of Genesis, which indicates that Beersheba was very near the
Wilderness of Paran.
(a) On a linguistic basis, P)RN would seem to derive from P)RH, which means
the foliage of a tree. As such, MDBR P)RN would logically mean “a dense
forest of trees”. That works perfectly for the huge, dense forest of trees
immediately southwest of Beersheba of Galilee in the Late Bronze Age. But
there was no forest of trees near the Beersheba in the Negev.
(b) On a non-linguistic basis, we are told that Ishmael becomes an “archer”,
with the implication that Hagar and Ishmael lived for some years on the basis
of Ishmael hunting big game in the Wilderness of Paran. In the next
generation, Esau bags big game for his doting father Isaac shortly after
Beersheba has been mentioned. Hunting with a bow makes perfect sense in the
dense forest southwest of Beersheba of Galilee in the Late Bronze Age, where
deer, wild boars, etc. were plentiful. But hunting would have been a
difficult way to survive near the Beersheba in the Negev, which was a
semi-arid area.
4. When Jacob leaves Beersheba to escape the anger of his brother Esau,
Isaac makes it from Beersheba to Luz on the first day of his long journey
east. That works perfectly if Jacob left Beersheba of Galilee, located in
west-central Upper Galilee, and made it in one long day to Luz/Laish in the
northeast corner of Upper Galilee. But that sequence does not make sense for
Beersheba of the Negev. (Even if Luz were taken to be Bethel, though
“Bethel”, not Luz, is stated to be the Patriarchal nickname, Jacob could not
make it from Beersheba of the Negev to Bethel north of Jerusalem in a single
day.)
5. Perhaps the two of you may be thinking that Beersheba of Galilee did not
exist until Hellenistic times, but that is not the case. Item #50 on the
mid-15th century BCE Thutmose III list of places in Canaan is BR, which may
likely be referring to a series of wells in Upper Galilee, one of which may
well be B)R $B( of Galilee. The immediately preceding item on the T III
list, KRYMN, seems to be near Beth Anath in central Upper Galilee, based on
it being item #13 on the early 13th century BCE Seti I list of places in
Upper Galilee, with B?-R being item #12 and Beth Anath being item #11. It
seems there was a well-known series of wells in west-central Upper Galilee in
the Late Bronze Age, which made it onto both of these topographical lists.
One of those wells may be what the Patriarchal narratives call Beer-sheba.
Item #47 on the T III list is Acco, on the west coast of Lower Galilee,
indicating the western part of Galilee. All signs point to the geographical
location of BR on these two Egyptian lists as likely being a series of wells
in west central Upper Galilee, which include the Beer-sheba [of Galilee] in
chapter 26 of Genesis. Note that Genesis 26: 18-33 talks about a whole
series of wells in this part of GRR/Galilee. [GRR derives from the Akkadian
word gararu, meaning “rolling”, referring to the “rolling” hills of Galilee.
KRR at item #80 on the T III list (where Egyptian K is Semitic G), and Garu
at Amarna Letter EA 256, are variants of GRR in referring to Galilee. GRR is
the Late Bronze Age spelling of Galilee, whereas GLYL is the post-Bronze Age
spelling of Galilee. Chapters 20 and 26 of Genesis state that the Patriarchs
are in GRR/Galilee, shortly before the Beersheba sequences noted above.]
These Egyptian topographical lists from the Late Bronze Age seem to be making
a generic reference to that series of wells in northwest Galilee, with one
such well very possibly being what the Biblical text calls Beersheba.
Jim Stinehart
Evanston, Illinois
-----Original Message-----
From: Tory Thorpe <torythrp AT yahoo.com>
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org; Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba
You guys should just either not allow this stuff to make it on to the list in
he first place or seriously engage it, not waste time mocking it with
hetorical exercise. Some of the points, had they been presented in the
"right"
ay, might be worth a real discussion.
Tory Thorpe
el Aviv, Israel
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[b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
George Athas, 03/10/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Yigal Levin, 03/10/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Tory Thorpe, 03/11/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
jimstinehart, 03/11/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Isaac Fried, 03/11/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, Jack Kilmon, 03/11/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, jimstinehart, 03/14/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
George Athas, 03/11/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, jimstinehart, 03/12/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, jimstinehart, 03/12/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Isaac Fried, 03/11/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
jimstinehart, 03/11/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Tory Thorpe, 03/11/2011
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, JimStinehart, 03/11/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, JimStinehart, 03/16/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
JimStinehart, 03/18/2011
- Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba, George Athas, 03/19/2011
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Re: [b-hebrew] The meaning of Beersheba,
Yigal Levin, 03/10/2011
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