Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>]

I don't think it can mean "make strong by military force" here because it is
"to the many", i.e. to the majority of the people of Israel. If a convenant
is forced on a people by military force, then it is upon the whole nation,
the is no purpose to saying "to the many". I think "to the many" indicates
that it will be imposed on them by modern democratic process.

Sincerely,
-Steve Miller
Detroit
www.voiceInWilderness.info
Judge me, O my Lord, for I have walked,
    walked in my integrity,
and I have put my trust in the Lord.
    I'll not slide away from Thee. (Ps 26:1)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yigal Levin
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 2:03 AM
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] JPS Daniel 9:27
> 
> Hi Seth,
> 
> 
> 
> I suppose that it could, although that's not the meaning I would chose
> for this context. As I wrote before, this would depend on your
> interpretation of the context. If you think that the context is
> referring to military action, than perhaps yes. If not, then no.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Yigal Levin
> 
> 
> 
> From: Seth Knorr [mailto:sethknorr AT gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:03 AM
> To: Yigal Levin
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] JPS Daniel 9:27
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Yigal, thanks so much for your response. I appreciate how much
> time you put into this list with your extensive knowledge.
> 
> 
> 
> A follow up question to what you wrote, that I had just thought about.
> So many biased "scholars"  say that this means "to make strong" by
> Force, as with military force, because it is referenced in verses such
> as this.
> 
> 
> 
> Does GBR have this meaning, and could that be the meaning in Daniel
> 9:27, that it is "made strong by military force".
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Seth Knorr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
> wrote:
> 
> Dear Seth,
> 
> The Hebrew in this case says "wehigbir berit". "Higbir", hiphil of GBR,
> which means "strong", so "higbir" would mean "to make strong" or maybe
> "to make stroner". The very specific meaning has to be determined by
> one's interpretation of the context.
> 
> 
> Yigal Levin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Seth Knorr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:24 AM
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [b-hebrew] JPS Daniel 9:27
> 
> I was reading the JPS on Daniel 9:27 which read "And he shall make a
> firm covenant"
> 
> I was wondering if this is a proper translation, since the word for
> "make / cut" (KRT / karath) which is generally present, is not found in
> the Hebrew.
> 
> Ie. Ezekiel 34:25 "And I will make [ KRT / (karath) ] with them a
> covenant"
> 
> In my research of covenants in the bible, it seems like (KRT / karath)
> is always there.
> 
> I noticed that Christian translations of Daniel 9:27 leave out "make."
> 
> With the way it is worded, is it better to translate as strengthening /
> confirming a covenant that already exists? Or could it go either way;
> it may or may not mean the creation of a new covenant?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Seth Knorr
> 
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