Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Doug Belot" <dbelot AT bigpond.net.au>]

I think you all need to understand what God meant, to be able to get the 
message , rather than acurately diagnose each stroke of the pen , 
understanding the intent is probably more important, , thats why puting the 
word Lord , which means No 1 , is best , then you cannot mock , humiliate , 
or annoy our God by error.

doug belot
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Christian" <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>
To: <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>
Cc: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew] "Yahweh" occurs 6823 times in the 
RomanCatholic NewJerusalem Bible BUT occurs "ZERO" times in theunderlying 
Hebrew


> As far as I am aware God never sanctioned any translations of the bible. 
> He
> never even asked us to translate it. All the translations are as bad as 
> each
> other. LORD, Yahweh and Jehovah are all inaccurate translations of Yhwh a
> word we can never be sure of how exactly it was pronounced. Given that all
> of these translations are just as bad as each other perhaps you should 
> spend
> more time learning Hebrew and evaluating if the rest of the Hebrew bible 
> has
> been translated just as badly. From a teaching of morality point of view 
> (if
> we can mutually agree that this is one of the major aims of the writings 
> of
> the Hebrew bible) it is perhaps the quality of the translation of the rest
> of the text which would guide a reader to a correct understanding of the
> morality it aims to teach. Wouldn't you agree?
>
> James Christian
>
> On 28 July 2010 04:45, <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi James Christian,
> > Way back on Sun Jul 25 12:15:28 EDT 2010,  You wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> > Dave,
> >
> > as someone who is aware of the issues surrounding the name of God
> > and someone who can sympathise with your agenda
> > I really don't think your method of critiquing the reconstruction Yahweh
> > is doing your cause any favours.
> >
> > The only thing you seem to be achieving on this list is coming across
> > as pushing a sectarian agenda and alienating your would be audience.
> >
> > May I suggest you adopt a less dramatic tact
> > and be more honest and open about your position?
> >
> > If you advance your study of Hebrew
> > you may then be in a position to enter into discussions of reconstructing
> > Yhwh.
> >
> > There have been many such on this list
> > and your continual claim that reconstructing Yhwh has been neglected on
> > this list
> > only goes to show your lack of familiarity with the history of
> > discussions on the list.
> >
> > This just alienates your audience even further.
> > I hope you can accept this constructive criticism light heartedly.
> >
> > Why don't you just drop the Yhwh thing for now
> > until you are in a position to enter into a proper linguistic discussion
> > about it
> > and get involved in other discussions.
> >
> > It could help you progress in Hebrew studies.
> >
> > James Christian
> > >>>
> > _________________________________________________________________________
> > _____
> >
> > Dave asks James Christian a question:
> >
> > I am not claiming that discussions on Gesenius's  reconstructed Hebrew
> > Spelling "Y-a-h-w-e-h"
> > [Possibly from the Samaritan transcription Iabe]
> > or
> > [Possibly from Clement of Alexandria's Greek transcription "iaoue"]
> > have been neglected.
> >
> >
> > I am basically asking,
> > giving what appears to be a total lack of  Masoretic Text support for the
> > Hebrew Spelling "Y-a-h-w-e-h",
> > do you believe that the God of the Hebrew Bible
> > is behind the publishing of these four English Bibles,
> > IN ANY WAY?????????
> >
> > I can only assume that you agree that neither the Leningrad Codex,
> > nor any BHS text gives sufficient Hebrew Scriptural support,
> > for publishing four  English Bibles in which "Yahweh" occurs 6823 times.
> >
> > Dave Donnelly
> >
> >  P.S.
> >
> > I guess I definitely am raising the issue
> > of whether or not Gesenius's proposed Hebrew Punctuation "Y-a-h-w-e-h"
> > [Based on Greek Transcriptions from several Early Church Fathers]
> > is sufficient evidence to use,
> > to publish four different English Bibles in which "Yahweh" occurs 6823
> > times!!!!!!!!!
> >
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