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[davedonnelly1 AT juno.com]

 On [Sun Jul 25 10:05:13 EDT 2010 TedBro at aol.com TedBro at aol.com
wrote:

>>>
Issues related to the tetragrammaton have been reviewed ad nauseum on
this  list. 
It feels to me that there are those on the list who are pushing a 
sectarian agenda. 
My personal response is, "no, thanks!".
 
Peace,
Ted Brownstein
 
>>>

Hi Ted,

As far as I know the B-hebrew discussion board discusses Codex L, 
as well as BHS texts that are derived from Codex L.

Since I first posted here it has been of great interest to me that Codex
L. preserved six different variants of the Tetragrammaton, all vocalized
differently. 
Before he left Peter Kirk took a major interest in this issue 
and posted all six variants of YHWH that occurred in Codex L., 
as well as posting the number of times that each occurred in Codex L. 

Now recently I have  become aware of four different English translations
of a particular BHS text,
[which was derived from Codex L.]
in which each of the translators translated each of the 6 variants of 
YHWH as "YAHWEH"

1. The Emphasized Bible of about 1905
2. The Jerusalem Bible
3. The New Jerusalem Bible
4. NIVIHEOT

As far as I know no secular source has commented on this issue.

Since it is at least possible, that God's name might actually be
"Yahweh",
it is at least possible that the Masoretes might have chosen to point
YHWH
in six different ways, 
to hide the evidence that God's name might actually be "Yahweh" or maybe
"Yahawh"!

Dave Donnelly
 
 
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Dave,

as someone who is aware of the issues surrounding the name of God and
someone who can sympathise with your agenda I really don't think your method
of critiquing the reconstruction Yahweh is doing your cause any favours. The
only thing you seem to be achieving on this list is coming across as pushing
a sectarian agenda and alienating your would be audience. May I suggest you
adopt a less dramatic tact and be more honest and open about your position?
If you advance your study of Hebrew you may then be in a position to enter
into discussions of reconstructing Yhwh. There have been many such on this
list and your continual claim that reconstructing Yhwh has been neglected on
this list only goes to show your lack of familiarity with the history of
discussions on the list. This just alienates your audience even further. I
hope you can accept this constructive criticism light heartedly.

Why don't you just drop the Yhwh thing for now until you are in a position
to enter into a proper linguistic discussion about it and get involved in
other discussions. It could help you progress in Hebrew studies.

James Christian

On 25 July 2010 15:52, <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com> wrote:

> The title of this topic is:
>
> "Yahweh" occurs 6823 times in the Roman Catholic New Jerusalem Bible
> BUT occurs "ZERO" times in the underlying Hebrew.
> [i.e. "YAHWEH" OCCURS ZERO TIMES IN THE PARTICULAR BHS TEXT
> THAT UNDERLIES THE ROMAN CATHOLIC NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE!]
>
> The same is true for the Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible.
>
> The same is true for my NIVIHEOT [i.e. NIV Interlinear Hebrew-English Old
> Testament]
>
> The same is most likely true for "The Emphasized Bible" written by Joseph
> Bryant Rotherham in about 1905 A.D. [i.e., The Emphasized Bible" is / was
>  the first English Bible in which "Yahweh" is found.]
>
> Are Hebrew Scholars under any obligation to make known to the General
> Public, that "Yahweh" occurs "ZERO" times in any Masoretic Text.?
>
> OR IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME EDITION OF A MASORETIC TEXT IS HIDDEN AWAY
> SOMEWHERE AND "YAHWEH" OCCURS  "6823'" TIMES IN THIS HIDDEN AWAY
> MASORETIC TEXT?
>
> Dave Donnelly
>
> P.S. Why does this issue appear to be ignored on B-Hebrew?
>
> It doesn't seem possible that the writings of the Early Greek Fathers can
> legitimately over rule the Hebrew Scriptures on this particular issue.
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