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[James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>]

Hi Ronald,

you seem to be using a normal gmail account. I post regularly to the list
from a gmail account and have found gmail to behave well and have never had
your problems. It would appear that your carriage returns don't seem to be
making it to the list. There must be some factor causing this behaviour. Are
you using gmail servers as forwarders and using some strange email client to
compose your emails?

James Christian


2010/3/27 Ronald Monestime <wbsc400 AT gmail.com>

>
> > > Is there a particular reason why some constructs, even identical ones,
> use a maqqef while others> > do not. For example I have done a study on the
> expression "servant of God" (ebed Yawheh) and> > some of those expressions
> have the maqqef, while other identical ones do not.> > With maqqef:Deu
> 34:5Jos 1:13Jos 8:31Jos 8:33Jos 12:6Jos 14:7Jos 22:52Ch 1:32Ch 24:6> >
> Without maqqef:Jos 1:1Jos 1:15Jos 11:12Jos 13:8Jos 18:7Jos 22:2Jos 22:4Jos
> 24:29Jdg 2:82Ki 18:12
> > In all the cases you gave for with maqqef vs without maqqef, in the> with
> maqqef examples, the> preceding word has a conjunctive cantillation mark
> whereas in the> without maqqef it has a> disjunctive one. This suggests that
> in the with-maqqef cases the> maqqef is there to create> a united element to
> which the preceding word is conjoined.
> > The maqqef essentially means that the two words are spoken as one> word,
> and there is only> one primary stress, the word with the maqqef getting
> secondary stress at most.
> WBSC: My understanding has been that the use of Hebrew accents could also
> reflect the oral understanding/tradition and some words may be considered as
> a single entity, even in cantillation, because of this underlying
> historical/oral/theological understanding.
> > You can read about the cantillation marks here:>
> http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/teamim/
> WBSC: Thanks for the reference link. I’ll look into it.
>                             > By the way, in some of the cases above, a
> comma between examples would> have helped.
> WBSC: I had actually written my message with each verse on a separate line
> but it was automatically reformatted on the B-Hebrew server side. That is
> why the formatting is as it appears above.
> > Anyway, the meaning to be attached to the maqqef is first one of>
> sentence structure as in> these examples.
> Ronald  njkproject.blogspot.comwww.njkproject.infowww.njkproject.info/wbsc
>
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:35:41 +0200
> > From: yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com
> > To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Meaning of Use of maqquef
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Ronald Monestime wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a particular reason why some constructs, even identical ones,
> use a maqqef while others
> > > do not. For example I have done a study on the expression "servant of
> God" (ebed Yawheh) and
> > > some of those expressions have the maqqef, while other identical ones
> do not.
> > > With maqqef:Deu 34:5Jos 1:13Jos 8:31Jos 8:33Jos 12:6Jos 14:7Jos 22:52Ch
> 1:32Ch 24:6
> > > Without maqqef:Jos 1:1Jos 1:15Jos 11:12Jos 13:8Jos 18:7Jos 22:2Jos
> 22:4Jos 24:29Jdg 2:82Ki 18:12
> >
> > In all the cases you gave for with maqqef vs without maqqef, in the
> > with maqqef examples, the
> > preceding word has a conjunctive cantillation mark whereas in the
> > without maqqef it has a
> > disjunctive one.  This suggests that in the with-maqqef cases the
> > maqqef is there to create
> > a united element to which the preceding word is conjoined.
> >
> > The maqqef essentially means that the two words are spoken as one
> > word, and there is only
> > one primary stress, the word with the maqqef getting secondary stress at
> most.
> >
> > You can read about the cantillation marks here:
> > http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/teamim/
> >
> > By the way, in some of the cases above, a comma between examples would
> > have helped.
> >
> > Anyway, the meaning to be attached to the maqqef is first one of
> > sentence structure as in
> > these examples.
> >
> > Yitzhak Sapir
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