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[davedonnelly1 <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

Hi James and all,

I have added a link to an image found in a reprint of an 1873 "A
Commentary on the Book Of Genesis"
by James G. Murphy.

His text is the only 19th century text which I am aware of that is
critical of Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation
[yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh] which is shown in this 1873 image and
is mentioned as the possible real pronunciation of YHWH. 

James G. Murphy also discusses the vowels of Hebrew Word #3068 which he
believes are not the true vowels of YHWH. He acknowledges his belief that
Gesenius's proposed punctuation is supported by "IaBe. He adds some
information about Hebrew word #3068 that you may not be aware of.

http://www.villagephotos.com/members/image.aspx?i=25176228

Once again I try to provide a link to William Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary
of the Bible" which provides more information on Gesenius's proposed
punctuation "Yahweh".

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/YahwehfromSmithsBibleDiction
arylowres.JPG

I think that this above link should work.


Dave Donnelly

P.S.

I have spent a lot of years trying to defend the vowel points of Hebrew
Word #3068,
but I have just recently pretty much given up.
Are you trying to defend the vowels of Hebrew word #3068?
or just looking for another old word that might better represent God'
name?

P.S. Again.
I believe that Clement of Alexandria is worth investigating,
if only to try to determine if the two critical Greek editions of his
writings,
that were written in the 20th century,
actually provide scholarly evidence that he wrote "Iaoue" and not "Iaou".

Is it possible that legitimate Greek scholars could be fudging the
evidence??????

Possibly 700 years of Greek evidence [1100 A.D. to about 1895 A.D.]
Preserve "Iaou".

Since 1905 pretty much all Greek sources are claiming that Clement wrote
"Iaoue"
Something seems rotton in Denmark.

Especially when the new evidence is reported to be very fragile, 
and not just any one can access it.

Iaoue [if it was actually written by Clement of A.] may support "Yahweh"
better that "IaBe" does!.
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I'm not a Hebrew expert either Dave but this subject is a special interest
of mine,

Some scholars insist on Yahweh and it is very popular right now but a number
of Jewish scholars disagree. I have also heard at least one person very
knowledgeable in Aramaic disagree with the pronunciation Yahweh. With just a
second or third grade education in basic Hebrew, it jumps right out at you,
Yahweh just does not sound right. It is like a wrong note in a song or a
palm tree in the forest. Not very scholarly reasoning but Yahweh seriously
does not sound right. Whatever the pronunciation is it seems it is *not*
Yahweh. I could be wrong though, it would not be the first time for sure.

Richard Conaway



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> Subject: [b-hebrew] IaBe equals Yahweh?
> 
> Hi all,
> I have been lurking in the backgound with my kindergarten understanding
> of Hebrew, and wondering if either James Christian or Yitzhak Sapir would
> be willing to discuss in any way Gesenius's Scholarly Reconstruction of
> YHWH [i.e. yod-patah-heh-shewa-waw-segol-heh] which seems to have been
> accepted by many scholarly sources as possibly accurately representing
> the original pronunciation of God's name.
> The editors of the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon of 1905 boldly posts
> Gesenius's proposed Hebrew punctuation of YHWH, followed by it's
> letter-by-letter English Transliteration "Yahweh"
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/bdbandstrong290.jpg
> The same Hebrew Punctuation can be found in William Smith's 1863 "A
> Dictionary of the Bible",
> which gives credit to Gesenius for having proposed this Hebrew
> punctuation.
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-/264290/YahwehfromSmithsBibleDictiona
> rylowres.JPG
> William Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible" also notes that
> Gesenius's proposed punctuation was supposed to be represented by the
> "IaBe" of Epiphanius.
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/yahwehfromiabe660pixels.JPG
> William Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible" also notes their 1863
> evidence that Clement of Alexandria had written "Iaou" and not "Iaoue" in
> his Stromata Book V, chapter 6:34. [Iaou is preseved in the 11th century
> Greek Codex Laurentianus V 3
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/264290/1863Smithsoniaou.JPG
> FWIW
> Dave Donnelly
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