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["Michael J Miles" <mjmorthotics0 AT msn.com>]

Well it got rejected on protocol; here it is again; I changed my Windows 
Live"from" display. Been busy editing various lexicons and grammars to upload 
to Internet Archive. Mike Miles.

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From: Michael J Miles 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:14 PM
To: James Christian ; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org 
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?


Hi James; I am not able to move from the verbal roots hayah {HYH}, being, 
chayah {XYH}, living, for the Divine Name; but I do attend to others notions 
as to what it is, say like Gesenius. Mike.


From: James Christian 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 5:44 AM
To: Michael J Miles 
Cc: aaa AT endlyss.com ; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org 
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?


Hi, 


obviously Yah, Yeho and Yahu are indisputable. There is far too much evidence 
in their favour to be ignored. This kind of puts the EHYEH YIHWEH 
relationship into question. I basically see only a few possibilities.


1) EHYEH and YHWH are completely unrelated. This poses no great problems.
2) EHYEH is the 3rd person form of the 1st person name YIHWEH (Yah, Yeho, 
Yahu, IAW and IABA pose problems for this theory)
3) The vowel pointing of )HYH is wrong and was purposefully put there to stop 
up from reconstructing the correct vowel pointing of YHWH (the testimony of 
the LXX translation poses great problems for this theory)


James Christian


2009/12/25 Michael J Miles <mjmorthotics0 AT msn.com>

  I vote for the abbreviated monosyllable Yah; then the extended dual-syllable
  Yehweh or Yahweh; then the fullest and most proper tri-syllabic Yehowah or
  Y'HOWAH; agreeing with those like Tregelles and Ginsburg.  Mike Miles.

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  From: "Richard" <aaa AT endlyss.com>
  Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:16 PM
  To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>

  Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?

  > Hi Christian,
  >
  > One answer to your question is available here on page 11:
  > http://www.karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf
  >
  > I don't want to offend anyone by saying more.
  >
  > Richard Conaway
  >
  >
  >
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
  >> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Christian
  >> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:45 PM
  >> To: Yohanan bin-Dawidh
  >> Cc: Biblical Hebrew list
  >> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Patriarchs used YHWH's name?
  >>
  >> Thanks for that Yohanan. So how do Karaites who use the name vocalise it?
  >>
  >> James Christian
  >>
  >> 2009/12/24 Yohanan bin-Dawidh <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>
  >>
  >> > Shalom Yigal;
  >> >
  >> > Not speaking of modern Karaite sages, since currently there are mixed
  >> > opinions with regards to both Talmudh Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi,
  >> > most
  >> > ancient Karaite sages recommended that we as Karaites study both
  >> > Talmudh
  >> > Bavli and Talmudh Yerushalmi. The difference was that we were suppose
  >> > to
  >> > weigh everything in them against the written Torah, and those things
  > which
  >> > were found not in agreement with the written Torah, we were suppose to
  >> > ignore.
  >> > As to the official opinion of Karaites concerning the patriarchs using
  > the
  >> > name, Ibn Ezra was wrong, for such was not our opinion, at least not
  >> > officially, since there is not official opinion among Karaites with
  > regards
  >> > to such. In ancient times there was no official body of Karaites who
  >> > determined what Karaites were to believe, or not to believe, and each
  >> > community had its own customs, and beliefs, this is why some sages from
  >> > community would speak against sages from another community. Some
  >> > Karaite
  >> > sages form times past thought it was wrong to use the name, YHWH,
  > whereas
  >> > others thought it must be used, if one was to properly follow the words
  > of
  >> > the Torah. As long as a person could come to their conclusion, and
  >> > argue
  >> > such properly, from the p'shat (plain-meaning) of the text, and using
  >> > haqesh
  >> > (comparitive analogy), then their view could be accepted as their view.
  >> > The patriarchs did use the name, according to all ancient writings that
  > I
  >> > have read from Karaite sages, and the name was even known among pagans
  >> > during the time of the patriarchs, but these people did not know the
  > true
  >> > meaning of the name until Mosheh explained it to them.
  >> >
  >> > I know this is not supposed to be a theological discussion, so if my
  > words
  >> > above seem as such, forgive me. I just wanted to clarify certain
  >> > things.
  >> >
  >> > Regards,
  >> >
  >> > Yo*h*anan bin-Dawidh
  >> >
  >> > Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas
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