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- From: dwashbur AT nyx.net
- To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb"
- Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:00:37 -0700
On 8 Oct 2009 at 18:25, Gerry Folbre wrote:
> Randall wrote:
>
>
>
> "This appears to unintentionally promote an etymological fallacy
> about
> pi``el.
>
> the distinguishing mark of a "pi``el" verb in a Semitic language is
> not its
> semantic context but its phonetic shape. It is the vowel-consonant
> pattern
> the marks the word, and if the writing system doesn't show that,
> -- well, that's too bad."
>
>
>
> According to Robert K. Logan, "The first proto-alphabetic scripts
> ... had no
> provisions for vowels or vocalization. Reading a script correctly
> was a
> matter of good guesswork guided by context" (The Alphabet Effect,
> pg. 38)
>
> Paleo Hebrew and New Aramaic Hebrew were both written without vowels
> and
> vocalization points prior to the Masoretic Texts {sixth to the
> ninth
> centuries AD). When the vowel points and vocalization marks of
> the
> Masoretic Hebrew Tanakh are removed, the reading text, Qare´,
> ceases to
> exist, leaving us only the ancient Kethib {consonantal} text.
> Therefore,
> reading the Hebrew Kethib {consonantal} text correctly would be a
> matter of
> "good guesswork guided by context."
>
> Do you not agree?
Are you familiar with the phrase "first-year lies"?
Dave Washburn
http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/08/2009
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
K Randolph, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
K Randolph, 10/08/2009
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/09/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", Gerry Folbre, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/10/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", James Christian, 10/13/2009
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