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- From: Gerry Folbre <gfolbreiii AT gmail.com>
- To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb"
- Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:52:49 -0600
I sent this earlier, but not to the b-hebrew lists. I've got it this time.
Karl:
Karl wrote: “I just did a quick electronic search of Tanakh and found that
the verb is
used only six times in Tanakh, five of them in context of a road or path.
Only one of them is it clear from the form that it is a piel. So from the
contexts, how do you know that the other five occurrences of the verb are
piels (remember, in this discussion, you cannot refer to the Masoretic
points)?
(Notice, I do not claim they are not piels, just ask for why I should
consider them piels.)”
Pr. 4:26 פלס מעגל רגלך וכל דרכיך יכנו׃
“Always make smooth the path of your feet; and all your journeys will be
directed securely.”
Pr. 5:21 כי נכח עיני יהוה דרכי אישׁ וכל מעגלתיו מפלס׃
“When in front of the eyes of yhwh are the ways of man; thus all their
courses of action are surely made level.”
In these two examples the intensive Pi’el verb conjugation appears to make
sense; Pr. 4:26 “Always {intensively} make smooth” and Pr. 5:21 “are surely
made level/smooth”.
The context of the verses themselves appears to direct the verb פלס to be
accepted as the intensive Pi’el.
At least that is my understanding of the text. Furthermore, I certainly
hope I have not made anymore typo's while transcribing the Hebrew Text.
Gerry Folbre
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com> wrote:
> Randall:
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Randall Buth <randallbuth AT gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > vayyixtov Karl
> > >First of all, is this piel? How do you know? Why should we consider it a
> > >piel? (Remember, for this discussion, you cannot use the Masoretic
> > points.)
> >
> > Maybe someone could consider p.l.s. to be a pi`el
> > because a qal has neven been attested in the whole history of the
> language.
> >
> > How do you know a qal has never been attested in the whole history of the
> language?
>
> I just did a quick electronic search of Tanakh and found that the verb is
> used only six times in Tanakh, five of them in context of a road or path.
> Only one of them is it clear from the form that it is a piel. So from the
> contexts, how do you know that the other five occurrences of the verb are
> piels (remember, in this discussion, you cannot refer to the Masoretic
> points)?
>
> (Notice, I do not claim they are not piels, just ask for why I should
> consider them piels.)
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/08/2009
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
K Randolph, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
K Randolph, 10/08/2009
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/09/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", Gerry Folbre, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
dwashbur, 10/08/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", K Randolph, 10/09/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Gerry Folbre, 10/08/2009
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[b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb",
Randall Buth, 10/10/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel or "stative usage of verb", James Christian, 10/13/2009
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