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[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

I am not sure of the actual implications of QADO$, but this I know  
That the root QD$ is a variant of the root GD$ (and also XD$), 'grow,  
rise, pile up, pack', from which we have the GADIY$ of Ex 22:5,  
implying that QADO$ is a thing of elevated inherent value. It is  
possible that MI-QDA$, 'temple', is but a tall structure.

Isaac Fried, Boston University
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Subject: [b-hebrew] Re : hatuf patah under the lamed (LHBDYL) in Gen 1,
        18 and Lev 10, 10
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Isaac, thanks very much for your answer. This is indeed what I thought, bot=
h editions I have mention hatuf patah but a third one that I have (Vigourou=
x)mentions shewa which reflects your version as well. =0A=0AIf you say "any=
thing can be explained one way or another.", what rationale would you give =
to hatuf patah, then ? to me this is definitely an error and no support can=
be given for a lamed with hatuf patah. Would you be able to explain such a=
deviant though? =0A=0Alaurent=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=
=0ADe : Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>=0A=C0 : Laurent Pinchard <ougaritique@=
yahoo.fr>=0ACc : b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org=0AEnvoy=E9 le : Lundi, 2 Mars 2=
009, 13h24mn 57s=0AObjet=A0: Re: hatuf patah under the lamed (LHBDYL) in Ge=
n 1,18 and Lev 10,10=0A=0A=0ALaurent,=0A=0AIt is possibly a mistake or a de=
viant. My Hebrew bible from school has a schwa under the L in both Genesis =
and Leviticus, and it is so also in the on-line bible of mechon-mamre at ht=
tp://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0.htm=0AOf course anything can be explained =
one way or another.=0A=0AIsaac Fried, Boston University=0A=0AOn Mar 2, 2009=
, at 6:19 AM, Laurent Pinchard wrote:=0A=0Adear=A0Isaac,=0A=0Awould you kno=
w why in Gen 1,18 we have a hatuf patah under the lamed (LHBDYL), which I d=
on't understand:=A0this semi vowel never=A0appears under lamed as a preposi=
tion. Note that I have this from the BHS edition.=A0Interestingly Leviticus=
10,10 also mentions the same lamed with hatuf patah on the same word. Else=
where any word starting with W(shuruk)LH-- would have as anticipated a pata=
h or a shewa. Is this hatuf patah under the lamed a mistake? if not what is=
the rationale ?=0A=0Alaurent=0A=0A=0A      
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Jim:

First of all, we are talking about Hebrew, not Canaanite.

Secondly, )BL, alternate spelling )WBL, is found in 14 verses in Tanakh: as
early as Numbers before Israel crossed the Jordan, also in Judges, Samuel
and Kings as well as Daniel.

Third, do not confuse this noun with a participle concerning the action of
water flowing, as you did with two mentions in Isaiah.

Fourthly, I asked you, where do you get your strange definition, and you di=
d
not answer me. You did not get it from studying the text of Hebrew.

Finally, the cities that were the conquests were in Judea, in the hill
country, not in the north which were under the control of Jeroboam,
Shisherka=E2=80=99s (Thutmosis III) puppet.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:16 PM, <JimStinehart AT aol.com> wrote:

>  Karl:
>
>
>
> You wrote:  =E2=80=9CWhere )BL, alternate spelling )WBL, is clearly defin=
ed, it
> refers to a
> watercourse, such as an irrigation ditch or stream bed. It has nothing to
> do
> with pastureland (except to water it). With this being the case, your
> equation makes no sense.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> The word )WBL, and its variant )BL, only appear in the late Book of Danie=
l,
> and they are talking about a river way out in Mesopotamia.  Daniel 8: 2,
> 3, 6  Most scholars do not see this word as being the same as )BL that is
> used 12 times in the Bible as the first word in Canaanite geographical pl=
ace
> names.
>
>
>
> )WBL and its shortened form )BL, meaning =E2=80=9Criver=E2=80=9D, may be =
related to YBL,
> which means =E2=80=9Cwatercourse=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cstream=E2=80=9D.  I=
saiah 30: 25;  44: 4
> By sharp contrast, the Canaanite word )BL is not talking about a river or=
a
> stream, but rather is talking about =E2=80=9Cexcellent pastureland=E2=80=
=9D or =E2=80=9Cmeadow=E2=80=9D,
> such as Abel-Beth-Maacah or the Sorek Valley.  That Canaanite word )BL is
> the same as the Egyptian letters JBR, which reference the Elah Valley, th=
e
> Sorek Valley, the Aijalon Valley, and Abel-Beth-Maacah on the Thutmosis I=
II
> list.  JBR/)BL is referencing a meadowland, not a river.
>
>
>
> Jim Stinehart
>
> Evanston, Illinois