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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: Peter Bekins <pbekins AT fuse.net>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Piel and the Binyanim (Re: Verb Stem Confusion)
  • Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:35 -0500

You can rest assured that the the claim of intensity or repetition (RAKAD versus RIKED) for the Hebrew piel is sheer nonsense.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Peter Bekins wrote:

Yitzhak,

Thanks for the plug. For what it is worth, I personally disagree with
Goetze and lean towards the view that the doubling indicates
plurality as is common in Semitic (and non-Semitic) languages. This
was argued well by Joseph Greenberg (though I haven't put up a
summary of this paper yet):

Greenberg, Joseph H. “The Semitic ‘intensive’ as verbal plurality: a
study of grammaticalization. Pages 577-587 in Semitic studies in
honor of Wolf Leslau on the occasion of his eighty-fifth birthday.
Edited by Alan S Kaye. Wiesbaden: Otto Harrassowitz, 1991.

I summarize Kouwenberg's study of the D-stem (piel) in Akkadian in
which he reaches the same conclusions:

http://balshanut.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/kouwenberg-njc-gemination-
in-the-akkadian-verb-studia-semitica-neerlandica-33-assen-van-
gorcum-1997/

Peter Bekins

On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:52 AM, b-hebrew-request AT lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

Peter Bekins discusses one article on the Piel here:
http://balshanut.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/goetze-albrecht-the-so-
called-intensive-of-the-semitic-languages-jaos-vol-62-no-1-
march-1942-1-8/

Also relevant is his discussion here:
http://balshanut.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/the-complicated-
morphology-of-the-semitic-binyanim/

Yitzhak Sapir

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