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  • From: "Doug Belot" <dbelot AT bigpond.net.au>
  • To: <l_barre AT yahoo.com>, "Yohanan bin-Dawidh" <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>, "b-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] More Yahweh outside the Bible
  • Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:40:59 +1000


How do you see the translation of the tetragramaton in Jer 23:6 , and is the Jole 2:32 , "Call on the name of the LORD" , the same name , and should it be apllied in Rom 10:13

doug belot

----- Original Message ----- From: "LM Barre" <l_barre AT yahoo.com>
To: "Yohanan bin-Dawidh" <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>; "b-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] More Yahweh outside the Bible






Lloyd Barré



--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Yohanan bin-Dawidh <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Yohanan bin-Dawidh <yohanan.bin.dawidh AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] More Yahweh outside the Bible
To: l_barre AT yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 5:01 AM



Lloyd;
You wrote, "Actually, it's pronounced Yahweh. We know this from the LXX."
We do not know this from the LXX. I am glad that you are confident that such is the pronunciation, and if such is the pronunciation that you choose to use, I will not stop you from doing such, but please do not attempt to tell me how it is pronounced, especially using a Greek translation to do such.
As to the pronunciation of YHWH, as Yahweh, in my opinion, which could be wrong, this is a farce on part of the LXX, attempting to keep gentiles from actually knowing how to pronounce the name. The name of YHWH was given the vowel points to the Hebrew word Yahbeh, i.e. "Beautiful", as a mean to keep people from actually being able to pronounce the name.
No, this is not right. The LXX translators had the oral tradition for the vocalization of the name. I applaud the Jerusalem Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible for finally translating the Tetragrammaton as "Yahweh."
You wrote, "I do not think that Isaac existed."
This is fine. I do think he existed, since he is one of my ancestors, and according to my people's accepted history, he definitely existed.
You are not reading the Bible critically.
You wrote, "You take a pious approach, not an academic one."
How is that I take a pious approach? I see myself as taking a logical approach, rather than a pious approach. I merely stated a fact that such things do not disprove the Torah per se, this is neither pious, nor impious, just logic.
As I said, empericism does not allow "proof" but only probability of various degrees.
You wrote, "The Torah was not formed until Ezra the Scribe."
We will have to agree to disagree, because I think it was completely formed during the time of Yohoshu'a bin-Nun.
But you have no reasons for thinking so. Just wishful thinking to support your Jewish nationalism.
Yohanan bin-Dawidh




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