Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>]

Doug,
> Matt 23:37  "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and
> stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your
> children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you
> were not willing!
>
> Harold couldnt that be like "washington washington" , as in your 
> comparison to the US

HH: It could be.
> HH: Zion represents Jerusalem, but Jerusalem as the capital represents
> > the nation. The citizens are described as the children in Isaiah 66,
> > with the city being the mother:
> Harold what translation is this , gives the breasts a good run eh , 
> stirring reading ,

HH: It was the Holman Christian Standard Bible. In Hebrew the two words 
for breast are different, and one lexicon gives "nipple" for the second 
one. That is the meaning of the word in vulgar Arabic, according to my 
Hebrew dictionary.

> In Rom 9:24-27 Paul quotes Hosea 1:11 as to the gentile inclusion and 
> which refers to the "sons of the living God" , is Paul , do you think 
> , saying that the third child Lo-Ammi who represents these sons of the 
> living God is the gentile inclusion. And who represents  the "My 
> people  and Mercy is shown"  of Hos 1:1, could they be the "sons of 
> the living God" and thus the church.

HH: Paul is redirecting OT words that in their original context had a 
different meaning. He is using them in a literary way. In Hosea the 
words are talking about the northern kingdom of Israel:

Hosa 1:6  She conceived again and gave birth to a daughter, and the LORD 
said to him: Name her No Compassion, for I will no longer have 
compassion on the house of Israel. I will certainly take them away. 7 
But I will have compassion on the house of Judah, and I will deliver 
them by the LORD their God. I will not deliver them by bow, sword, or 
war, or by horses and cavalry. 8  After Gomer had weaned No Compassion, 
she conceived and gave birth to a son. 9 Then the LORD said: Name him 
Not My People, for you are not My people, and I will not be your God. 
10  Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea, 
which cannot be measured or counted. And in the place where they were 
told: You are not My people, they will be called: Sons of the living 
God. 11 And the Judeans and the Israelites will be gathered together. 
They will appoint for themselves a single ruler, and go up from the 
land. For the day of Jezreel will be great.

HH: Note that verse 11 distinguishes between the Judeans and the 
Israelites. The Israelites are those in the northern kingdom. They will 
not be a people because in 722 B.C. the northern kingdom came to an end 
and the people were taken into captivity by the Assyrians, who 
transported them to other nations, never to return to Israel. Hosea 
prophesied in the last days of the northern kingdom, during Jeroboam's 
reign (Hos 1:1), or some time within 793-753 B.C.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard