Biblical Hebrew Forum

[<pporta AT oham.net>]

The acts RUC, KUM, SUR, $UB appear to be inherently voluntary [as opposed to 
NI-RDAM, 'fell asleep' and the corresponding NE-(OR, 'woke up, bestirred', as 
in Zechariah 2:17] and hence a Niph'al form is not listed for them. The roots 
SUG, 'deviate, recede', MUG, 'melt away, dissolve', PUC, 'disperse', RUM, 
'lift', are listed in the Hebrew grammar books as "having" a Niph'al form, so 
I do not see why RUC should not have it. 

If the Niph'al form of MUG is NA-MOG, of PUC is NA-POC, 'became dispersed', 
and of RUM is NA-ROM, why not RUC -> NA-ROC. The NA-MOG-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN 
of exodus 15:15 could equally well have been NA-SOG-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN or 
NA-POC-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN or NA-ROC-U KOL YO$BEI KNA(AN, 'dispersed are all 
the inhabitants of Kna(an'. 

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I agree that in the Bible itself some intransitive verbs ayin-waw are used in 
Niph'al. 
Examples: in Joel 1:18; Is 1:4 and Ez 16:7 (all of them pattern 
www.oham.net/out/PS-d/PS-d1759.html)

But I realize that as regards RWC, to run, none of the dictionaries nor 
lexicons I have at hand lists its Niph'al as an existing and real binyan. 
Then maybe our NAROC would be a Niph'al form (thus an exception to the 
general fact that RWC lacks Niph'al)?

Pere Porta





  Isaac Fried, Boston University



  On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:18 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

        As regards "to run"... are you sure that it is one of them?
        If yes, do you think that:


        1. I run 20 miles every week  -- is intransitive use
        2. I cannot run this program -- is transitive use?




      Correct on both. Or another example, "The snake oil salesman was run 
out 
      of
      town."


    _______


    Yes, Karl.
      From an English viewpoint this is as you write. But from a Hebrew 
viewpoint 
    it is wrong.
    The Hebrew view of the sentence is:
    "The snake oil salesman was caused to run out of the town"
    Namely, the Huph'al and not the Niph'al of "run".
    I mean: the right word  --if we should to translate the sentence into 
    Hebrew-- would not the Niph'al of RWC, but the Huph'al of RWC. Look at 
B.2 
    in  www.oham.net/out/P-d/P-d083.html
    and remark the examples taken from the Bible.
    I suggest you to take advice whether the Niph'al of RWC really exists.


    Warm greetings!


    Pere Porta


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