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[Yosef Shalom <yossiyeshua AT yahoo.com>]

I have a question about translating a phrase here in this verse...
  Gen 48:19  "And his father refused and said, I know, my son, I know. He 
also shall become a people, and he also shall be great, but truly his younger 
brother shall be greater than he is, and his seed shall become a multitude of 
nations."
  
The phrase 'multitude of nations' here is in Hebrew 'melo haGoyim' and the 
verb is yhyeh.
  Is the literal meaning here that Ephraim's seed would BE FILLED UP with a 
multitude of nations, or that his seed would become, ie, transformed into a 
multitude of nations.
  I'm not quite sure about the word 'multitude' since that denotes simply a 
large number, where as 'melo' seems to gives us more, ie a large quantity 
within another entity, filling that up.
  
Thanks,
Joseph Simpson
New York

       
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Pere,
I will give you a detailed answer, but first explain to me (no traslations 
and no converses please!) what you think XALAH, 'ill', means.
Isaac Fried, Boston university

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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The root SLH


> It is my understanding that this grouping is governed
> by the equivalence of
>
> B, P, W
>
> G, H, X, K, Q
>
> D, Z, T, Y, S, C $, T
>
> L
>
> M
>
> N
>
> R
>
> ________
>
> I think you should explain what does "equivalence" mean within your 
> theory.
>
> For instance:
>
> 1. Does it mean that two words that differ only by one letter must have a 
> similar meaning if this different letter is one of the group you have 
> created? (Let us say GALAH, to uncover, and XALAH, to be sick)
> 2. Does "equivalence" mean that words having one of these letters of the 
> group as one of their root letters can be dealt -or must be-  with 
> according to some given rules that apply to all words of this type?
> 3. Summing up: what does "equivalence" mean in your theory?
> Please, give your answer up without forgetting some illustrating examples 
> too.
>
> Pere Porta
> Barcelona (Spain)
> _________
>
>
> with each letter being actually a single consonant root, in particular L
> indicating elevation. By this hypothesis the root SLH [H here is just a
> filler] is a variant of the roots DLH, *ZLH, TLH, *YLH, SLH, CLH, $LH, 
> TLH,
> where * indicates a potential root not in use. All these roots essentially
> and inherently mean ‘pull up, pull out, draw up, draw out, extract’. 
> Hence 
> a
> sensible translation of the Psalms verse is ‘you pulled out all those
> deviating from your laws’.
>
> Now we understand also the relationship between the biblical SILON, 
> ‘thorn’,
> and the modern SILON, ‘jet’, as in MA-TOS SILON.
>
> DELET, door’, is methinks but a TELET, a hanging flap over the entrance.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
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> To: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>
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> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The root SLH
>
>
>>> I will give you a detailed response, but first explain to me this. 
>>> SALITA of Psalms 119:118 is translated by the NAB as 'reject', [the KJV 
>>> has it as 'trodden down']. Is this translation correct, and if yes how 
>>> do we know it to be so?
>>
>> Isaac,
>>
>> you are putting a question here which is difficult to answer to. Mainly, 
>> to my sense, because Ps 119:118 is the only place where this verb SALAH 
>> appears in the Bible (in qal) (the word T:SWLEH in Job 28:16 comes from 
>> another quite different SALAH)
>> We can often be accurate as regards the "exact" translation of a given 
>> word because we can verify the different meanings or shades of meaning 
>> this word got in other places of the bible (mainly in the same book we 
>> are dealing with... )
>> But here it is not so.
>> The dictionary (my dictionary) meaning of SALAH (in qal) is "to make 
>> light of", "toss aside". If this meaning is right (or if these meanings 
>> are right), both translations you mention are (would be) wrong... because 
>> either "reject" or "tread down" are concepts that differ from "to make 
>> light of" and from "toss aside".
>> One must too take into account the meaning or sense of the preceding 
>> verses (117, 116, 115...) or even of the whose psalm (which verses I have 
>> not read nor the psalm...): I feel this can also help to fix the right 
>> translation of SALAH in Ps 119:118 but, of course, it is not sure it will 
>> help.
>>
>> I think this is all I can say as a replaying to your question.
>>
>> Pere Porta
>> Barcelona (Spain)
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