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[<pporta AT oham.net>]

> I will give you a detailed response, but first explain to me this. SALITA 
> of Psalms 119:118 is translated by the NAB as 'reject', [the KJV has it as 
> 'trodden down']. Is this translation correct, and if yes how do we know it 
> to be so?

Isaac,

you are putting a question here which is difficult to answer to. Mainly, to 
my sense, because Ps 119:118 is the only place where this verb SALAH appears 
in the Bible (in qal) (the word T:SWLEH in Job 28:16 comes from another 
quite different SALAH)
We can often be accurate as regards the "exact" translation of a given word 
because we can verify the different meanings or shades of meaning this word 
got in other places of the bible (mainly in the same book we are dealing 
with... )
But here it is not so.
The dictionary (my dictionary) meaning of SALAH (in qal) is "to make light 
of", "toss aside". If this meaning is right (or if these meanings are 
right), both translations you mention are (would be) wrong... because either 
"reject" or "tread down" are concepts that differ from "to make light of" 
and from "toss aside".
One must too take into account the meaning or sense of the preceding verses 
(117, 116, 115...) or even of the whose psalm (which verses I have not read 
nor the psalm...): I feel this can also help to fix the right translation of 
SALAH in Ps 119:118 but, of course, it is not sure it will help.

I think this is all I can say as a replaying to your question.

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)

> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>
>
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> To: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The root SLH
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> > Isaac,
> >
> > even if I am not a moderator of this list, I'm wondering what use can be 
> > for the listers all this you are writing below.
> > Please, be so kind to explain us what use can all this be for b-hebrew 
> > list members.
> >
> > For instance, what use can be for us in our study to a better knowledge 
> > of biblical Hebrew to know that "DALAH", to draw up, can be  -or is--  
> > related to "DELET", door, and so on... ?
> >
> > Sincerely, I'm not able to understand it.
> >
> > I even think that if you do not explain the use we can derive from your 
> > lists (in your actual post but also in precedent posts)... you are 
> > assuming the risk that moderators ban such messages of yours...
> >
> > In which manner can all this be useful for the average member of the 
> > list?
> >
> > I think you should do very well to explain in what, how, when, why, where 
> > all this you offer us can be useful. Otherwise... people on this list 
> > will think your messages have no other purpose than to send something, 
> > even if it is quite useless, no other purpose than to say you are 
> > alive...!
> >
> > Be aware of this: my question is absolutely sincere.
> >
> > Pere Porta
> > Barcelona (Spain)
> >
> > > By the equivalence of D, Z, T, Y, S, C, $, T, the root SL is a variant 
> > > of
> > > the roots DL, ZL, TL, YL, SL, CL, $L, TL. The letter L implies that they 
> > > all
> > > betoken elevation, with the understanding that up and down are 
> > > symmetrical;
> > > something hang up is actually hanging down and a fallen thing lies over
> > > ground. In Hebrew DALAH means 'draw up', but DAL is 'lowly', and ZOL is
> > > 'cheap'.
> > >
> > > We have:
> > >
> > > > From DL: DALAH, 'draw up', as in Exodus 2:19, DELET, 'door', DLI = 
> > > > DL-HI),
> > > 'bucket', DALIT = DAL-HI)-AT, 'branch', as in Jeremiah 11:16, and DAL,
> > > 'lowly, meager'.
> > >
> > > > From ZL: ZUL, 'pour out ', as in Isaiah 46:6, 'devalue', as in 
> > > > Lamentations
> > > 1:8, ZLL, 'pile up food, stuffed himself with food, gluttony' as in
> > > Deuteronomy 21:20, ZALZAL, 'branch', as in Isaiah 18:5, and )ZL, 'fail,
> > > decline, run out', as in Deuteronomy 32:36 and 1 Samuel 9:7.
> > >
> > > > From TL: TIL, 'throw, fling', as in 1 Samuel 18:11 and Jonah 1:12, TLTL,
> > > 'roll over, shake', as in Isaiah 22:17, TAL, 'dew', TALEH, 'lamb', and 
> > > TL),
> > > 'patch', as in Joshua 9:5.
> > >
> > > > From YL: )AYAL, 'deer'.
> > >
> > > > From SL: SL) = SLH, 'worth, value', as in Lamentation 4:2, SLH, 'fling 
> > > > away,
> > > cast away, reject', as in Psalms 119:118 and Lamentations 1:15, SAL,
> > > SALSALAH, 'basket', SLL, 'pile up', M-SIL-AH, MA-SLUL, 'pavement, ramp,
> > > trajectory', SULAM, 'ladder', SILON, 'sticking thorn', SELA(, 'rock', 
> > > SOLET,
> > > 'sieved flour'.
> > >
> > > > From CL: C)EL, 'lofty tree, lotus?', as Job 40:21, )CL, 'bestow', as in
> > > Genesis 27:36 and Numbers 11:17, )ACIL, 'noble, grand, elevated', as in
> > > Exodus 24:11, )ECEL, 'by', CUL-AH, M-CUL-AH, 'depth', as in Exodus 15:5,
> > > CLH, 'roast over fire', CLL, 'sink', CLACAL, 'worm', as in Deuteronomy
> > > 28:42, CEL, 'shadow, projected patch of darkness', and CELA(, 'edge, 
> > > side'.
> > >
> > > > From $L: $UL, 'margin', as in Exodus 28:33-34, E$EL, 'lofty tree, 
> > > > tamarisk?'
> > > as in Genesis 21:33, $)L, 'ask, borrow, draw and extract information',
> > > MI-$(OL, 'path, lane', as in Numbers 22:24 , $O(AL, 'palm of the hand,
> > > cavity',  as in Isaiah 40:12, $U(AL, 'fox', $)OL, 'ditch, pit, sink', as 
> > > in
> > > Deuteronomy 32:22, $LH, 'deviate, deceive', as in 2 Kings 4:28, $ILYAH,
> > > 'placenta, afterbirth issue', as in Deuteronomy 28:57, $LL, 'heap'. Also
> > > possibly the name $A)UL, 'the tall one?'.
> > >
> > > > From TL: TLH, 'hang, impale', as in Genesis 40:19, TLI, 'hanging gear', 
> > > > as
> > > in Genesis 27:3, TALUL = TAL-HU)-L, 'steep, lofty', as in Ezekiel 17:22,
> > > TEL, 'mound, heap', as in Deuteronomy 13:17, TALTAL, 'lock, curl, wave', 
> > > as
> > > in Song of Songs 5:11, TOLA)AT = TOLA)-AT, 'worm', as in Psalms 22:7. 
> > > Also
> > > possibly (TL, 'lofty, noble, elevated', from the name (ATAL-YAH, as in 2
> > > Kings 8:26.
> > >
> > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
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