Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>]

I was only pointing out to the gentleman who listed all those words 
and included one which had a different root than all the others with 
a chet, that's all, and that therefore the basic meaning of KOLEL 
with a kaf has nothing to do with Chalon, window, for example (unless 
you want to expand your understanding to that of the Kabbalists', 
that words that SOUND alike are related.  For instance the two words 
Or with an aleph (light) and Or with an ayin (skin):  Just as skin 
holds the body together, so does G-d's Light hold the entire Creation 
together, but I don't think anyone wants to go in that direction here 
on this list) - Shoshanna


"The  basic meaning of XALAL is also 'to include, to enclose, to 
encompass, to comprise, to surround, to generate', except that the 
enclosed may be here but empty space, as just pointed out by 
Shoshana Walker. Thus XALON, 'window' is the cavity or the open 
space definedby the surrounding wall...

Shoshanna



Shoshana,

You are right. The only question is what is "different".

Isaac Fried, Boston University.

On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Shoshanna Walker wrote:

> No, it's a different letter, and they are different roots, those with
> a kaf and those with a chet
>
>
> Shoshana,
>
> You are right, but for diversity there is a kaf and there is a xet.
> The letter kaf is merely the letter xet turned upon its side. A he is
> a xet with a disconnected left leg, a qof is a he with an elongated
> leg, and gimel is a cross legged he.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, rosewalk AT concentric.net wrote:
>
> > Except that Kolel - the word meaning to include, is spelled with  a  "kaf",
> > while the other words you are mentioning are spelled with a "chet"
> >
> > Shoshanna
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/6/2007 1:04:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > if AT math.bu.edu
> > writes:
> >
> > 5. The  basic meaning of XALAL is also 'to include, to enclose, to
> > encompass, to comprise, to surround, to generate', except that the
> > enclosed may be here but empty space, as just pointed out by
> > Shoshana
> > Walker. Thus XALON, 'window' is the cavity or the open  space defined
> > by the surrounding wall, and such is the XALIL,  'flute', the
> > cylindrical [GALIL] hollow wind-pipe, and also the  MXILAH [actually
> > MKILAH], 'tunnel', burrowed and included [GLULAH,  KLULAH] in the
> > depth of the earth. XLL in the sense of 'profane' may  mean  'devoid or
> > empty of merit'. Indeed, its opposite QD$, which is  but a variant of
> > GD$, means 'packed solid with supreme value'. XALAL  in the sense of
> > 'cadaver', may mean 'rolled or bent over' or  'drained of life'.
> > Similarly 'MAXALAH', 'illness', may mean a lacuna  or an ill
> > inclusion.
> > In conclusion: MXOLAL of Isaiah 53:5 is certainly not  'pierced'.
> > For a more detailed discussion of these roots look up
> > _www.hebrewetymology.com_ (http://www.hebrewetymology.com) .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > JW:
> > This reminds me of the KRH "controversy" in 22:17. KRH clearly has a
> > primary meaning of "dig" in the Jewish Bible and by usage it is
> > always
> > shown as a Creative act. Yet some would argue that "pierced" is the
> > proper Translation even though the Hebrew words that do actually
> > mean "pierced" usually have a Destructive meaning. There seems to be
> > some Motivation outside of Translation which is looking for
> > "pierced".
> > Why do you think that is Isaac?
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph Wallack
> >
> >
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