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["Rolf Furuli" <furuli AT online.no>]

Dear Marjorie,

I do not see any need to go further into this subject, since this is a list 
for the discussion of Hebrew, not of those who work with Hebrew.

Best regards,

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo
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  From: MarjorieAlley AT cs.com 
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  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:35 AM
  Subject: Question for Rolf on the JW outlook on the Hebrew verbalsystem


  Rolf --- 

  Rolf wrote: >>> I now return to your question again.  I knew the 
grammatical theory of the NWT when I started my research.<<< 

  When you started your research did you know the grammatical theory of the 
NWT only through the NWT foreword and Appendix C, "Hebrew Verbs Indicating 
Continuous or Progressive Action," or had you also studied the 1990 WTS book 
"All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial"? 

  snip 

  Regards, 
  Marjorie Alley
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Yigal,

OK, but what is then this Misr- part of Misrayim (as you prefer to
spell it)? Is it Hebrew? Is it meaningful? Is it ancient Egyptian?
Does it mean mistress?

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Mar 22, 2007, at 3:40 AM, Yigal Levin wrote:

> Isaac,
>
> The reason that the "double" ending of the biblical word Misrayim
> is assumed
> to reffer to upper and lower Egypt is because there is plenty of
> documentation that the Egyptians themselves considered their
> country to be a
> union of "the two lands". The differences between the two are very
> real:
> Upper Egypt is a narrow strip of watered land on either sides of
> the Nile,
> cut off from the rest of the world by the great deserts to the east
> and the
> west, developing (pretty much) its culture in isolation. Lower
> Egypt is the
> flat, wide-open and expansive Nile Delta, open to the sea and to
> the major
> trade routes connecting it to Asia. The Egyptians realy did
> consider these
> to be two separate lands, united in the person on the Pharaoh,
> "master of
> the two mistresses". Think of England and Scotland.
>
> Yigal Levin
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> From: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>
> To: "Uri Hurwitz" <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
> Cc: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Mis(.)rayim
>
>
>> Uri,
>>
>> You are right---who knows. I am only suggesting an obvious
>> possibility. Look at the map and you will see that Egypt is indeed
>> just two narrow and long strips of land along the Nile. It is not
>> clear to me why my etymology should be more "far fetched" than yours.
>> It appears to me that the name of a country (in the ancient sense of
>> the word, not in the modern geopolitical sense as drawn on a map),
>> who knows how old,  is likelier  to be derived from a permanent and
>> apparent geographical feature of the terrain rather than from a
>> transient political system. Isn't the ancient Egyptian symbol for a
>> foreign country a wavy landscape? I really do not know why the
>> present Arabic name of Egypt---originally the land of the Copts >> Egopts, 
>> is MISR.
>>
>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:
>>
>>> Isaac Fried if at math.bu.edu
>>> Wed Mar 21 17:46:56 EST 2007
>>> Previous message: [b-hebrew] Kush - and Mis(.)rayim
>>>    Dear Isaac,
>>>
>>>   The fact of the two Egypts was well recgonized  by the ancient
>>> Egyptian
>>>  themselves, and marked in various ways.
>>>
>>>   As for your suggestion, do you mean the green, culivated strips
>>> on the shores of the Nile?   A bit far fetched, - but who knows?
>>> And besides, how does one explain the Arabic name, identical to the
>>> Heb., but in the singular.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Uri,
>>>
>>> Or in reference to the two narrow (CARIM) strips along the Nile.
>>>
>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>>
>>> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
>>> with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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