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Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology
- From: David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology
- Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:43:33 +1100
Hi Yitzhak,
It appears to me that you are desiring a phonological representation. Thus graphemic /vəyiqtol/ (or however it should be represented) = phonological [viyiqtol], etc. Either representation is perhaps OK so long as it is plain what the representation is.
Perhaps you should write an article arguing for a change in root and representation?
Regards,
David Kummerow.
On 3/7/07, David Kummerow wrote:
>
> As a sometimes-user of such terms, I'll provide a comment.
>
> I can't speak for others, but I do not use the terms to imply that there
> is not some variability in spelling as you say. Since the usual paradigm
> root is qtl these days, a quick representation using English characters
> of the verbal paradigms using this root is as you've given them. If you
> have a better suggestion for formal labels, I'm happy to use them. But
> other terminology does start to get cumbersome, eg conjunction + short
> prefix verb, etc.
A quick but more accurate representation with the root QTL is:
VAYYIQTOL
VIYIQTOL
VAQOTAL
I would suggest using the root SPR, as it is a complete verb, it is actually
attested in Biblical Hebrew, and it has a P for a BGDKPT (B and P being
the simplest BGDKPT letters to represent in latin characters). Furthermore,
this one P is at the exact place where we would want it -- that is, to indicate
whether it was affected by a vowel in between the first and second root letters.
For the person, I would suggest using second-person to avoid the problem
of the initial Y prefix. For suffix forms, it also allows for an
indication that there
was no lost vowel between the verbal root and suffix. This gives:
VATTISPOR
VATISPOR
VASOFARTO
The above accurately indicates the differences and similarities of the verbal
paradigm as realized by the Massoretes.
Yitzhak Sapir
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[b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/06/2007
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology,
David Kummerow, 03/06/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/07/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology, Peter Kirk, 03/07/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology,
Yitzhak Sapir, 03/07/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] WAYYIQTOL/WEYIQTOL/WEQATAL terminology, David Kummerow, 03/08/2007
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