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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Gen. 2:16-17
  • Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:58:17 -0500

Karl:
I will tell you what in my humble opinion the root BR)=BARA means. It consists of the composition BA+RA where BA is a marker of existence or substantiation, as is the English word 'be', and the marker of plurality or aggregation RA. Thus all BARA means is 'to exist in an aggregated state'.

Every Hebrew root that contains the letter R refers to a varied state of existence (see: www.hebrewetymology.com).

If you accept this from me, then heavens will open and you will see Hebrew in all its glory. Otherwise you will continue to wallow in dictionaries, concordances, loan words, 'cognate languages' and so on.

As I grew up we used to read the Hebrew Bible every day. We did not have a dictionary nor a concordance at home; still I understood every word of it.

God did not borrow words from 'cognate languages' to transmit his divine message.
Isaac Fried

On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:02 PM, K Randolph wrote:

Isaac:

You are using your theories of etymology based on form to assign
definitions of words. I don't think that is right. I think the correct
way is to look up the words in their actual uses, their function, and
speculate about common origin only if the functions show a commonality
as well.

I also don't buy into the belief that the ancients did not have a good
sense of the abstract as well as the concrete, therefore if a term
indicates an understanding of abstract concepts, I do not speculate
concrete basis for those abstractions.

After all, words can converge in form which originally were considered
very different, as well as be loan words from other languages. In
those cases, a speculated common origin can lead you astray as to how
the ancients actually understood their meanings. Even on words that
are not convergent nor loan words, you lack a paper trail showing a
commonality of origin.

In short, using a concordance and looking up all the actual uses of
words below, I don't see the meanings you assign to terms.

Karl W. Randolph.

On 12/5/06, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
Notice that there are three instances of BR): (1) 'to create', as in
Gen 1,1; (2) 'to shred' , as in Ez 23,47; and (3) 'to be large, to be
great', from which BARI), as in Gen 41,2, is derived.

The root BRH means 'to eat=to devour=to tear and shred food', either
in the mouth or in the pot. Compare: "to break bread".

The root PRH means 'to bring forth or create offsprings, to spread
out'. It is related to the roots: PRX, PRQ, PRQ etc.

The root PR( means 'to ruffle, to be unruly, to be disorderly, to be
fractious, to be wild'.

The root PR) means 'to be wild' or to be in the state PR( .

To my utter chagrin I am intellectually unfit to enter into a deep
discussion as to what 'create' means, or what it means to turn
"nothing=no+thing" into "something=some+thing".
Isaac Fried
On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:10 AM, K Randolph wrote:

When looking at the meanings of the words, as they are actually used
in Tanakh, that case is hard to sustain.

On 12/4/06, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
Inasmuch as we are dealing with Genesis, it is worth while noticing
that ברא, BARA, which is rendered in English: 'create', and which
is the first verb (root) of the entire bible, is a variant of פרע
PARA, 'disperse'. There is nothing in this verb (root) to indicate
that God made "something" out of "nothing".

Other relatives of ברא are ברה, פרא, פרה.
Isaac Fried

ברא, BR) means to create, set up, though not every time something
from
nothing (the context, e.g. Genesis 1:1–2, gives us the something out
of nothing).
ברה, BRH means to be fed, other than similar sound, very
different meaning.
פרא, PR) is a happax whose meaning is uncertain Hosea 8:9, the noun
refers to a wild donkey that lives in the desert. This could actually
be the noun referring to the action.
פרה, PRH to produce fruit, i.e. be fruitful.
פרע, PR( to loosen, as in to set free from restraint.

Just because words sound similar does not mean that they originally
came from the same root.

Karl W. Randolph.
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