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  • From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
  • To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] comparative historical linguistics was Re:Nun-Tav-Vet root
  • Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:34:59 +0200

Shalom Isaac,

I think you are confusing two traditions - that of the Tablets with the Ten Commandments being written "by the finger of God", and that of Moses writing the entire Torah, all five books, "by the mouth of God". I agree with you that "al-pi" could mean "according to", but remember that this passage is not from the Bible, but rather from a much later liturgy.


Yigal Levin

----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>
To: "Shoshanna Walker" <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
Cc: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] comparative historical linguistics was Re:Nun-Tav-Vet root


Shoshana,
I know that it is a frivolous question, and for a true believer may
even appear to border on blaspheme. The way God communicates with man
is off limits to any rational enquiry. Yet you know that as the Torah
is lifted after the public reading the congregation rises and
proclaims in unison:
וזאת התורה אשר שם משה לפני בני ישראל
על פי אדוני ביד משה
where על פי may mean 'according to' or 'from the mouth of.'

This appears to negate the notion that Moshe lifted the tables
skyward (as I have seen with my own eyes in the movies) and God put
on them his writ with a hand of fire.
Isaac Fried

On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Shoshanna Walker wrote:

I don't understand the question. G-d "told" Moshe what to write. I
personally think it was via "automatic writing". Other people
claimed automatic writing (and Mozart claimed to write music that
way), from lesser spiritual beings, so Moshe got his from G-d.

Shoshanna



What do you mean by "given"?
Isaac Fried

On Nov 27, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Shoshanna Walker wrote:

We believe that the Torah was given without any vowels, or even word
separations.

Shoshanna



I know you asked Peter, but I just wanted to point out that
Orthodox Jews
have always (or, in any case, for over a millenium), believed that
the Torah
was given to Moses.

I meant, the Torah with the Shin/Sin distinctions as we have them.

Yitzhak Sapir
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