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  • From: "K Randolph" <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Moses' writing? [was: The New Testament]
  • Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:13:50 -0700

Rochelle:

Was ancient Israel illiterate? Or did the use of a phonetic alphabet
allow the use of basic literacy to permeate the whole society? I
always thought it was the latter.

When Moses wrote the Torah book, there were no walls to display it on.
And except for the copy that Joshua had made on the mountainside,
there continued to be no walls at the judicial center of the country
until Solomon, hundreds of years after Torah was written. So could the
absence of tablets from Biblical period Jewish sources be evidence
that Jews of that period did not have that tradition? Even the two
tablets of the treaty were made to be hidden away in a box, not
displayed publicly. And the Siloam inscription was basically workman's
graffiti.

Karl W. Randolph.

On 10/24/06, rochelle altman <willaa AT netvision.net.il> wrote:
Karl...
[snip]

> > You want to see the evidence? Remember, I've been collecting this stuff
for
> > more than 50 years...there are hundreds of examples just from the ANE and
> > down through the 1st century BCE... when we get to CE, we get into the
> > millions. There are more than 250,000 examples in one Late Medieval
> > cemetery -- can't use all of them now can I. You'll have to wait until I
> > finish organizing the blurry book on the subject -- this i going to take
a
> > lot of picking and choosing to fit into a single volume -- and then finish
> > writing it up to see the evidence for yourself.. I've given you a few
> > examples to look at so you get an idea.
> >
>One source stands out by its absence, namely tablets of Biblical
>period Jewish origin.

Boy, wouldn't we love to have some. We're lucky to find bits and pieces as
it is... and every time something does turn up, it's decried as either a
forgery or late post-exilic.Folks don't recognize a consolidated script,
how do you expect them to recognize a consolidated text? On the latter, we
get quellenscheidung -- as if a subject doesn't have its own vocabulary.
But what we really have are two different traditions consolidated into one
text... and that was not done post-exilic.That's the type of text we find
under a consolidating monarchy. It sure isn't the first example, nor the
last...oldest example I've run across is under Sargon I of Sumer and Akkad.
.. as usual, he used religion.

Now, the closest thing we have to examples of the original 10C are the
Paleo- frags among the DSS. You see, from the format of the Leviticus
scroll, it was taken down from a wall tablet.

Point is: law codes, proclamations, and such like -- all issued under a god
-- were displayed either on large stelae or on large tablets arranged as
wall displays. The Egyptians did it, too.

Do recall that Moshe displays the tablets to the crowd and the text is
pronounced out loud. SOP back then:.display, call for attention, read it
out. Why? Because a person was only liable for breaking a law if he or she
had heard it. And, please, don't start on this aspect: it is very well
known and attested right on down the centuries. It's what is done with
illiterate populations.Hear ye, hear ye.

Course, if one insists that people could just up and do things differently
from what the general population recognizes as authoritative and still be
accepted....

> > Incidentally, if you want to know where the double tablet comes from, look
> > at Syrian MSS, then Gothic, and then the Amianitus from the 8th CE.
> >
> > Now, shall we get back to BH?
> >
>My question about Moses was back to BH.

Not really; this list is about questions on the language


> > risa,
> > Dr. Rochelle. I. Altman
>
>By the way, where did you get the idea of sapphire cubes you mentioned
>to Yitzhak? He didn't say anything of the sort, at least not publicly,
>nor is there any Biblical Hebrew source for that.

OF course there isn't. Once again, the subject of what script and what
material was used for the 10C has a good sized literature. Sapphire cubes
happens to be one of them..

Now enough; people want to talk about the language, not the methods of
putting it there or how those words would be displayed.

risa








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