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- From: "Robert Newman" <rob AT designceramics.co.uk>
- To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: [b-hebrew] origin of evil
- Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 01:10:26 +0100
Hi Lisbeth,
Concerning Ra', one reference work (TWOT) says
" In the moral and religious realm of meaning, the verb denotes activity that
is contrary to God's will. ...
God is the subject of the verb r¹±a± in Psa 44:2 [H 3]; Jer 25:29; Jer 31:28;
Mic 4:6; Zech 8:14), but his infliction of pain on people is not due to
viciousness; it is the just judgment of sinners who do not respond to his
call for repentance. In the Old Testament, God is not depicted as committing
an immoral act when he does r¹±a± to the wicked. " -end quote.
I find this interesting, God can bring calamity as an expression of justice
when his righteousness demands it and he is not doing evil. Quite the
opposite, an execution of judgement on the oppressor is an expression of love
to those oppessed. Also does not God's holiness mean he is removed from
corruption and badness?
The words directed to Cyrus in Isaiah 45 indicate that the incomparable God
is behind Cyrus victory at Babylon. That victory comes as an expression of
God's judgement. I think the words in verse 7 emphasize the extent of God's
ability. Whilst your translation uses "evil" I notice that some prefer
"calamity" in this context. I wonder if the choice of translators reflects
the word Ra' may be contrasted with or in juxtaposition with. So that tob -
ra' is 'good - evil' and shalom - ra' is 'peace - calamity'. Just a thought.
By the way, within Christendom there are differing views as to this question
of - Did God create evil? Also, there are differing views about Satan, real
person or evil inclination within? So these issues are not ones that clearly
divide all Jews and all Christians. It's good to be cognizant of different
interpretations and how they are grounded, yet this list isn't the place for
theological debate, still it's been interesting to observe.
Shalom
Robert Newman
Lisbeth wrote:
Dear Benjamin, Harold, et. al.
The Jewish view is expressed in Isaiah. Christians call it "radical
monotheism," but Jews just call it monotheism. According to Isaiah, God does
create both darkness and evil. Christians worry about how a good god can
create evil. This issue I think arrives with Plato, Aristotle, and
Hellenism. I don't think it pertains to Oriental thought. The Hebrew Bible
does not whitewash this by claiming that evil must really be good if it
caused by God.
Isaiah 45:5-7 (speaking to Cyrus).
I am YHWH, and there is no other; besides me there is no god. I arm you,
though you do not know me, so that they may know, from the rising of the
sun and from the west, that there is no one besides me; I am YHWH, and there
is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make
peace/health/well-being (shalom) and create evil (ra'); I YHWH do all these
things.
Best,
Liz Fried
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Blankinship, Benjamin, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Harold Holmyard, 09/06/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, K Randolph, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Harold Holmyard, 09/06/2006
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[b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Robert Newman, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Peter Kirk, 09/08/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Peter Kirk, 09/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/06/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, Shoshanna Walker, 09/06/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, Shoshanna Walker, 09/06/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, Revdpickrel, 09/06/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Blankinship, Benjamin, 09/07/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/07/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Charles Rempel, 09/08/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil, Harold Holmyard, 09/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Charles Rempel, 09/08/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/07/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] origin of evil,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 09/06/2006
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